If fact, FUCK BC in General... us and our stupid deficit

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dude.. you know HOW MANY jobs there are out there that pay $16-$20/hr?

It's call labour, construction w/e... we've all done it and after time moved into better things.


Why people expect hand outs from teh government is beyond me... I would rather my tax dollars go into things like transit/tax cuts than making university practially free for people who are too busy going to the beach and hanging out all summer instead of getting a job.

What if your female? What job pays 20 an hour?

What if you are in a program that requires a summer workload?

What if you are disabled (there are 4 autistic kids in one of my classes)?

What if you are orphaned (losing parents at a young age like myself kinda suck when you have to raise yourself)?

These "high paying" jobs are not out there as you think.

Oh btw, I'm not poor, and actually have 2 really high paying jobs and actually saved my money. But not everyone out there is as lucky as me.

blah blah blah government please help me (even though I most likely did not vote).

take responsibility for your own life.

I think there's a difference with understanding benefits and entitlement.

Benefits means that the availability of Student-Aid is dictated by the economical trend and the resources that allow for it. Entitlement just means exactly what the word meant. And as much as I support Student-Aid programs, I support the view that its a benefit rather than an entitlement.

It sucks that times are tough right now. But its tough for everyone so at least the grief is shared. From the lower, non-income students to even the established business owners who are suddenly having to close shop; And believe me, working in Commercial Insurance, I'm seeing the latter quite a lot.

yep, cause the labour/construction jobs are totally booming right now!

Cause EVERY student only goes to class 4 hours a day and can work 30 hours each week! Cause tuition is only $4000! I'm assuming you're a past student.Your example no longer apply to current market/students. And way to leave out single parent, the disabled etc

People take loans expecting to pay it back. I don't think ANYONE takes a loan thinking "HA HA! I just borrowed this money and I'm never going to pay it back"

SO many people can afford to buy things for straight cash these days :rolleyes:

Who here tried finding work during the summer and failed because no one was hiring? Are you really gonna be able to pay for your school if you work part-time at mcdonalds at $8?

So if you ever approached a bank for mortgage or loan for a business, does the banker tell you to shove it and take some responsibility?

Hey. Why did you ignore my post? Are you just complaining for the sake of just how much it sucks that $16M is being reprioritized, or do you really think that the government is misappropriating that $16M? I'm trying to steer the discussion to the overall economical impact, and just not the educational impact (Or soon to be lackthereof)

From what I read in the article, it's not exactly like the government is trying to eliminate Student-Aid in its entirety. They're reducing budget from $116M to $100M. That's still a hefty $100 Million for availability right there. Yes the current economical trend has caused the margin of Student-Aid to slim by a fraction, but the people who truly require it most will STILL be able to recieve it.

Kind of like the recent employment crisis. The economy has caused the availability to slim. But what all that means is that the people who will be obtaining and retaining employment are those who are most well qualified for the job.

This current Economical trend impacts us all. Students aren't the only victims so why make it out like so. Shaving $16M out of $116M is hardly a crime at all in the grand scheme of events.

thats what happens during a recession

better than pumping money that isn't going to stimulate the economy and add to the deficit... which is EXACTLY what the NDP would be doing if given the chance

the 16M cut isnt actually that much if you compare it with other funding cuts in the public sector
suddenly it seems like a big # since education is a touchy subject... yet BC alone is in a 3 BILLION dollar deficit... people can't grasp their head around how much money that is.. comes off as just a number... but its a huge fucking number... something our generation is going to have to work to pay off

regarding the summer jobs... there has ALWAYS been a labour shortage in BC so I don't see how some people aren't "lucky" enough to find these jobs

from when i was 15 - 18 ( 4 summers ) I have been able to find a full time (40hrs a week) summer job in no more than 2 days every time that pays over $12 on craigslist
there are tons of job agencies that will even find you a job within a week that guarantees over $12/hr
and non of these jobs were labor intensive, i barely had to do shit, one of them i got paid $25/hr to press buttons, $15/hr data entry in an office and the other 2 working in a warehouse picking orders... easy and boring as fuck while some of my colleagues were complaining about 8/hr fast food / retail jobs

waaaa cry me a river, not my fault ur an idiot
if you can't support yourself and survive in Canada, you won't fucking survive anywhere else you pansy ass bitch

of course there are exceptions, but Canada is one of the few countries filled with opportunities that allow you to develop the skills necessary to have a flourishing life given that you want it bad enough and willing to put in the work

I don't know a single student at SFU that gets paid more than $15/hr let alone $25/hr. Even for co-op you're lucky to get close to $17/hr - and this is from places like HSBC, RCMP, CRA, etc.

I agree, it's not difficult to get a higher than minimum wage job. My first job paid $12/hr, but I know a lot of my friends are getting paid $10/hr and they thought I was lucky to get a job that paid $12, lol.

if its your first job in that industry don't expect to get paid a lot until you get the experience

lol wats tat gotta do with this thread

you students need to stop asking for handouts, your education is heavily subsidized by the government already.

i hate school, good thing I didnt waste anymore time and went sraight to work and climbed up the corporate ladder. Experience is a big difference maker. Most people with degress arent getting hired over someone who has experience in the same industry.

My sister has lived on her own in Victoria for the last 4 years paying for her full time classes at UVIC, as well as rent/food/car/insurance with a P/T job paying $14 an hour. Yes, she had very MODEST student loans (were talking like $3-$4/year) but had to work quite hard to get them.. writing papers and keeping her grades above a mark.

So no one can tell me you can't do it.

They are... go walk onto any major jobsite and as long as you have a good head on your shoulders and don't do drugs there is a good chance you will walk away with a job.


For a while I did day labour to fill my empty days where all I would have been doing is watching TV. Many of these job sites would rather have a normal person work for them than hire the skids I had to do day labour with.

When you take out a loan from a bank, their is no stipulation that states "the borrower must pay back the loan, unless they are unable to, at which point the bank will forgive the debt". Why should the Provincial Government do that?

well... kind of, you could call it bankrupcy.. but that fucks your credit for a long and last time I checked the government forgiving your loan does not.

With regard to the interest-relief/loan forgiveness:
How does a person with disabilities (mental or physical) pay back a loan? With their monthly income assistance?

For everyone else who has taken a loan, the most they'll get is interest-relief for a period of time, with proof of a valid reason such as unemployment or insufficient income; I highly doubt they would get forgiveness of their loans.

Student financial aid consists largely of student loans and not bursaries/scholarships. Without the loans, many students can't afford their education. As for getting a job, everyone has their own reasons. It's not like having a student loan is a good thing; it has to be returned eventually.

Get a job? Unless you're a quadrapalegic (sp?) or have the IQ of a celery stick, you should be able to find a job (especially since they went to school to study something)

Not really. A few days ago I went to the security gate at the jobsite I work at and they have giant stacks of resumes that no one wants to bother looking at