Originally Posted by E=mc˛
(Post 6629052)
what? You're saying 三 and 七 don't have the same pitch? similarly, 四 vs 八, and 二 vs 六 ? They sound the same to me pitch wise. Try elongating the vowel sound without saying the stop at the end.
If you do a google search or w/e you'll see what I mean. It's not necessary to treat tones 7, 8, and 9 separately. It will more than likely confuse a beginner.
they divide the tones up as
1 - high level (三, 詩, 急 for -p ending)
2 - high rising (史, 粉)
3 - mid level (試, 四, 八 for -t ending)
4 - low falling (時, 琴)
5 - low rising (市, 我 )
6 - low level (事, 路, 木 for -k ending example)
You teach a beginner the 6 tones, and they can say pretty much every word.
I don't want to get into the details and all that but if I were to teach a beginner how to say 七, i'd just tel them how to say it, and tell them it's tone 1 for instance (if they are trying to write down pronunciation + tone on a sheet or paper or w/e for future reference)
I'm no expert, but it sounds right to me.
Whether there ARE minor discrepancies or not, I'll just say that 6 tones is really all you need. there's no need to learn anything else and any minor tone "tweaks" will be learned naturally through tv, radio, or having actual conversations. I mean look at mandarin (proper mandarin from China), there are definitely more than 4 tones. The neutral tone itself is a 5th tone and it actually has 4 different pitches depending on the tone of the previous word. The 3rd tone becomes a half tone when followed by another word (ie. it falls but doesn't rise again), etc...
a newbie will just get all confused XD
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