Yeah, probably true but I'm just venting.

and hippo's also eat meat, your point?

shit i want some good meat right now

uhh logically speaking starving ppl shud be the biggest vegetarians out there... they can't afford to eat meat, its too expensive and pricey, they'd keep their goats and cattle for milk and farming



+1

i fucking love meat.

Anyone who chooses to become a vegetarian, be it for religious reasons or whatever, is literally living their lives the wrong way. It is scientific proven fact that humans are omnivores. We always have been, and we always will be.

So if you want to live like that, fine. But don't even try to suggest that anyone else should too, or that it is anything other than a drastic alternative to the normal way of life for our species. Because it's not.

This thread reminds me how much I hate the show Whale Wars.

I hope that boat sinks and all those green peace radicals get eaten by a whale.

the real question is what event lead up to this rant

The only thing good about vegetarians is how good their vaginal fluids smell.

^ sig worthy.

lol. this was actually a really good read..

i agree with you..
but you don't need meat in your diet to get all the essential nutrients. there are vegie alternatives for almost everything in meat.. and in this day in age, there are supplements that you can take..
so you are wrong in a sense that you can't get key nutrients from meat.

otherwise you're bang on.

I agree with everything you said, and your opinion.
Except I believe for a fact that humans are naturally herbivores.

If you look at the human teeth, we actually have teeth with a flat bottom, rather than a carnivore with sharp pointed teeth. (think Lion, Tiger, even dogs etc)

But that being said, humans dominate the earth, and there's no reason why we cannot eat meat if we please to, especially if it's for survival.

Other support that humans are naturally herbivore.
http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/200...-herbivores-2/

Dude. No one cares. Your post is as pathetic as vegetarians hating on meat eating. Eat what you want, and shut the fuck up.

Humans are not only omnivores, but are humans because they are omnivores. So you couldn't be more wrong. I'll post an explanation after UFC :)

Here's a quick-note explanation of why we became meat-eating humans with big brains (and flat teeth), instead of continuing to be dumb veggie-eating apes (with flat teeth).

-Right around 2 million years ago, our predecessors' brains suddenly saw a jump in size:

http://carlrules.com/images/ETH-brain-growth.jpg

-As you may already know, brains have a very high metabolic rate - they need a lot of fuel to function properly, and throw off a lot of heat. So along with this change in size came a huge need for increased fuel.

-Understanding Kleiber's Law, we know that generally, a mammal's overall metabolic rate is based directly with body size. This is also accepted as fact:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...leiber1947.jpg

-Based on this tight correlation, we can determine an animal's metabolic rate based on its size. So an 80 lb human will give off the same amount of heat as an 80 lb chimp, for example.

-Because of this law, the fact that our brains are so much bigger than an 80 lb chimp's (or any encephalized animal for that matter), the difference in metabolic rates need to be explained. After all, if we are the same otherwise, why doesn't our huge brain cause our heat production to be 4X higher or more?

-Somewhere along our history, our bodies have found a way to compensate.

-The next most expensive tissue in our body (after the heart) are the digestive organs - guts, basically. The brain, heart, GI tract, kidney, and liver make up the majority of our basic metabolic rate.

-The solution to the problem is that while our brains got bigger, our guts got smaller. Comparing a 150 lb chimpanzee to a 150 lb human, scientists found that the heart, kidneys, and liver were all approximately the same size. However, the GI tract of a human is roughly half the size of the chimp's. And of course you know the brain is about that much bigger than the chimp's.

-So while the overall BMR is about the same even with the larger brain, the smaller gut is what allows this to happen:

http://carlrules.com/images/ETH-body-comp-compare.jpg

-So our brains got bigger (for whatever reason) and to make up for it, our digestive system got smaller. It had to, to obey Kleiber's law.

-So what allowed this to happen? About 2 million years ago, our diets would have to have changed drastically. Instead of foraging for grains, nuts, and berries which are expensive to digest and offer little fuel per weight, hominids had to have started eating a more dense, efficient diet. They started eating more fat and protein. This came from.... meat!

-Because they started eating more easily-digested food packed with more calories, there was no longer a need to have a large gut. Over evolution, our guts shrank, and our brains grew to make up for it.

-Had we remained pure vegetarians, it would have been literally impossible for our guts to shrink, and our brains to grow. Not without violatiing a basical scientific law (which of course is impossible).

-Take a gorilla for example - pure vegetarians. They spend their entire existance foraging and eatins plants, even though they are huge primates. But because of their diet, their species requires a large gut to digest the food they eat. And this did not allow their brains to exand.

-Going all the way back to Australopithecus africanus, one of the first encephalized species we found, you can see that their brains were significantly larger in comparison even by that point. And we know that they ate meat. This is where it all began ;)

-So you can thank Lucy for deciding to stop being a vegetarian 3-4 million years ago. Because had she not, we'd all still look and act just like her. ;)

When I go to a restaurant, I like to order a veggie burger with bacon.

Wow, I put a lot of research into that post, and it literally destroys any argument veggies may have that humans are supposed to be vegetarians, and not a single thanks or even a response?

Reminds me of a joke I heard back in highschool.

Q: What is the toughest part of eating vegetables?

A: The wheelchairs. :D

Your post merely suggested that the added protein and fat in human diet helped the brain's development.

Which is kinda irrelevant since "most" vegetarians are only arguing that we do not need meat to get that extra fat and protein. Nowadays, there are plenty of other sources and supplements people can take to get those extra nutrients found only in a meat diet millions of years ago.

Only a small percentage of retarded people believe that human body does not need the extra nutrient found in meat to do well. And nutritionists have always suggested that if you are going to become a vegetarin, you should either take nutrient supplmement or carefully select the kind of food you eat to make sure you are meeting your body's need.

I am not a vegetarian, but I gotta agree that I see a lot more hate from non-vegetarian towards vegetarian than other way around.

Perhaps it's not difference in belief but the air of elitism among them that festers that hate? I notice some "vegetarians" like to throw that title around like its some social class card.

Theres smart Vegetarians, and there's dumb Vegetarians. We call the dumb ones Vegans.

Like so
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18574603/

We need meat. Some Vegetarians still eat meat like fish, but stay away from everything else. At least it's meat. My friend is Vegetarian by religion, and other than me bugging him about how good Beef is, he at least eats fish.

Hey I'm a vegetarian (no meat at all) but I don't go around pouncing my lifestyle into other people's brains - you eat what you want and if you're healthy then stick with it. No need to hate on others (vege > meat eaters, or vice versa) just because they believe in different things than you.

as far as just how healthy/unhealthy the vegetarian diet is - it really depends on what you eat, how much you eat, and how often you eat. Just have to find the right balance by knowing your food and what's in it.

I started being a vegetarian 13 years ago and acutally gained weight throughout the years - you really just need to eat the right things to make sure you have enough nutrients being put into your body to generate muscle/maintain bodily functions. Vegetarianism isn't all about eatting just vegetables, fruits, salads, bread, etc... I would've died of starvation if those are the only things I've been eating for the last decade.

So yeah, people have different reasons to eat what they want to eat, and there is no reason to be judgmental just because you think your way of life is better/correct.

Now, cannibalism, on the other hand, is a WHOLE different story. LOL

LOL very impressive presentation skinny!!! persuasive and concise
A+

....dont know why you spent so much time/effort on a rant-thread tho :p

You definitely contradicted yourself in your conclusion there.

Well, I dunno why but over the years, my consumption of vegetable starts to rise while meat starts to fall. I didnt force it to happen but it seems that I do not crave meat as much as I used to be from my teenage years.