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Sean@Home 02-12-2010 08:33 PM
Im not going to luge any sleep over this. He will go down as the biggest... luger.

Thats really all i got.

fishing666 02-12-2010 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by dimdiu (Post 6814248)
uh...i actually agree with RRxtar, as an undergrad of a designer school, it's not as easy as u think designing every single thing in its place, not just put it there and get the result u wanted to get...i'm not an expert in designing professional olympic tracks, but as u can see in the picture and video, the "steel columns" supports the metal roof above all the way outside of the track, they didn't just build it right at the corner, so i'm guessing there must be a purpose for it to be there. i'm not saying it's the luger's fault to propel himself to the steel column, just saying it's all an unwanted accident.

really, dun blame the designers, they actually do more math on this single track...actually more than some people would in their lifetime. if it's just as simple as double the wall height, put safety pad/fiberglass and that would save the dude's life, then i guess anyone could be a designer.

btw doubling the wall height won't work, so if he actually went out of control and on to the wall...the way he comes back down would've killed him too since the other side of the track is open...
lets see some example calculations that an olympic designer would do. i know for a fact for things are not complicated. it's just that people make it complicated. I mean seriously if it was that complicated..give yourself a bigger safety net.

RRxtar 02-12-2010 08:34 PM
as they said in the news article "no one has ever come out of a track before." if no one has ever come out of a track before, and the general consensus is that it just doesnt ever happen, why would anyone think twice about those posts?


if sydney crosby somehow blew a tire at full speed and slid head first into the boards and killed himself, would everyone be sitting here saying "well obviously if the boards were made of balloons this never would have happened. WHY HAVENT THEY MADE THE BOARDS OUT OF BALLOONS!?!


accidents happen, and this is an extremely tragic one.

penner2k 02-12-2010 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by twitchyzero (Post 6814743)
yeah, cause the sled's got brakes right?
give me a break...no one on this board is using a tragedy to shit on the games.

read the bbc link, other athletes have already injured themselves on this track and have expressed their concerns before this accident. Accidents happen, but when it's the first to kill an athelete in a sport that's been around for ages something tells me there's a poor design in the track
The sled doesnt have brakes but they can control the speed..
This situation sucks but when it comes down to it the guy on the sled fucked up (I'm not trying to be disrespectful)...
You can say they could have moved the beams back a couple feet but realistically I bet instead of hitting the beam at 140+ km/h he would have hit it at 130 km/h.. Either way he is dead.
Padding would have maybe made it that instead of dying instantly he would have died an hour later.. or a day later.. personally if I were him I would rather hit the exposed beams. Painless and I bet he didnt even know what happened.

goo3 02-12-2010 08:58 PM
Anyone flying out of the track is pretty much dead. They need to keep them inside, no matter what.

InvisibleSoul 02-12-2010 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted by RRxtar (Post 6814816)
as they said in the news article "no one has ever come out of a track before." if no one has ever come out of a track before, and the general consensus is that it just doesnt ever happen, why would anyone think twice about those posts?


if sydney crosby somehow blew a tire at full speed and slid head first into the boards and killed himself, would everyone be sitting here saying "well obviously if the boards were made of balloons this never would have happened. WHY HAVENT THEY MADE THE BOARDS OUT OF BALLOONS!?!


accidents happen, and this is an extremely tragic one.
Yes, this is a freak accident.

People have to keep in mind that this track probably had to be approved by numerous sanctioning bodies, so it's not like the only person that could be responsible is the designer.

Lude S 02-12-2010 09:05 PM
pillars not being covered.......is Canada doing anything right for the games? seems like the Olympics is a big fail.

InvisibleSoul 02-12-2010 09:07 PM
Just a random thought... I can't think of a single situation where more people would know about and honour a seemingly random athlete's death. I mean, if it had happened during the actual competition, sure it would make the news worldwide, but it wouldn't have made a fraction of the impact it did to get several portions of the opening ceremonies dedicated to him, being watched by possibly hundreds of millions of people.

The timing of his death couldn't have come at a better time in terms of him being etched into history.

Manic! 02-12-2010 09:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Lude S (Post 6814859)
pillars not being covered.......is Canada doing anything right for the games? seems like the Olympics is a big fail.
Covered pillars wouldn't have done anything at 140+ Km.

Know matter how safe you make something you can't make it 100% safe. Just look at car racing.

twitchyzero 02-12-2010 09:31 PM
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Originally Posted by penner2k (Post 6814819)
The sled doesnt have brakes but they can control the speed..
This situation sucks but when it comes down to it the guy on the sled fucked up (I'm not trying to be disrespectful)...

Padding would have maybe made it that instead of dying instantly he would have died an hour later.. or a day later.. personally if I were him I would rather hit the exposed beams. Painless and I bet he didnt even know what happened.

Quote:
Originally Posted by RRxtar (Post 6814816)
as they said in the news article "no one has ever come out of a track before." if no one has ever come out of a track before, and the general consensus is that it just doesnt ever happen, why would anyone think twice about those posts?

accidents happen, and this is an extremely tragic one.
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Originally Posted by Manic! (Post 6814872)
Just look at car racing.
I think you guys are missing the point. The athletes pratically have no control over their sleds, they cant stop or correct their sleds fast enough when they're gong that fast. So it's almost entirely up to the design of the track to ensure safety (to some extent their gears too).

Sure paddings or putting the pillars further back probably won't help a whole lot, but there must be something wrong here. This has been an Olympic sport for so long and no one's ever died from it so this accident SHOULD be raising red flags.

InvisibleSoul 02-12-2010 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by twitchyzero (Post 6814901)
I think you guys are missing the point. The athletes pratically have no control over their sleds, they cant stop or correct their sleds fast enough when they're gong that fast. So it's almost entirely up to the design of the track to ensure safety (to some extent their gears too).

Sure paddings or putting the pillars further back probably won't help a whole lot, but there must be something wrong here. This has been an Olympic sport for so long and no one's ever died from it so this accident SHOULD be raising red flags.
False. Another luger died during training for the 1964 Olympics, when the sport was first added.

Qmx323 02-12-2010 09:56 PM
oh yeah red flags were raised,

luge is suspended.

InvisibleSoul 02-12-2010 10:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Qmx323 (Post 6814945)
oh yeah red flags were raised,

luge is suspended.
Not anymore.

http://www.vancouver2010.com/olympic..._274462nE.html

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The FIL, through its technical officials, further investigated into the cause of this tragic incident. Based on a physical inspection of the track and a thorough review of the tapes they have concluded the following:

It appears after a routine run, the athlete came late out of curve 15 and did not compensate properly to make correct entrance into curve 16. This resulted in a late entrance into curve 16 and although the athlete worked to correct the problem he eventually lost control of the sled resulting in the tragic accident. The technical officials of the FIL were able to retrace the path of the athlete and concluded there was no indication that the accident was caused by deficiencies in the track.

Based on these findings the race director, in consultation with the FIL, made the decision to reopen the track following a raising of the walls at the exit of curve 16 and a change in the ice profile. This was done as a preventative measure, in order to avoid that such an extremely exceptional accident could occur again.

The FIL will resume menīs training Saturday morning with two full training runs prior to the competition taking place as scheduled at 17h00.
Freak accident is freak.

felixy69 02-12-2010 10:15 PM
I am a total fag.

RCubed 02-12-2010 10:18 PM
RIP.

Armind 02-12-2010 10:24 PM
I hope no other athletes will face this when doing a run in the upcoming days. =\

MWR34 02-12-2010 10:27 PM
RIP,


i think that padded rails wouldnt help, but higher walls might have prevented this tragedy.

Qmx323 02-12-2010 10:29 PM
oh well Taiwans only competitor can actually compete now lol.

Boostslut 02-12-2010 10:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Sean@Home (Post 6814809)
Im not going to luge any sleep over this. He will go down as the biggest... luger.

Thats really all i got.
Ohh wow your so witty! JERK.

dimdiu 02-12-2010 10:38 PM
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Originally Posted by fishing666 (Post 6814813)
lets see some example calculations that an olympic designer would do. i know for a fact for things are not complicated. it's just that people make it complicated. I mean seriously if it was that complicated..give yourself a bigger safety net.
well i can't provide a calculation that an olympic designer would do, but i know for sure if it's just as easy as building a wall double in height, we won't have certified designers and engineers working on the site. We would just have random people giving suggestions and see which one gets the most vote.

They are there for a reason, and we, who knows nothing about the industry, dun think have the right to judge it's the designer's fault just by some picture and a video.

as someone mentioned, it's a freak accident, and RIP the guy who died in the practice

ra1nn 02-12-2010 10:58 PM
RIP

DC5-S 02-12-2010 11:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Boostslut (Post 6815002)
Ohh wow your so witty! JERK.
Seems like Sean needs a good ass whooping
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twitchyzero 02-12-2010 11:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Qmx323 (Post 6815000)
oh well Taiwans only competitor can actually compete now lol.
why do they even bother rofl. they should just focus on getting one gold medal in each summer games haha

seakrait 02-12-2010 11:24 PM
yeah, padding the pillars would have done nothing. especially with the pillars so close to the track. if they were further away, at least there'd be more room for the padding that you'd need to decelerate a what, 90kg man? safely from 144kmph to 0?

higher walls for sure are the only sure way. even the netting would be better as long as the nets don't stretch...

RIP. ominous start to the games.

underscore 02-12-2010 11:26 PM
I think this is a case of the tech for the sport bypassing the human limitations. they cranked up the speed levels for the suits, sleds and tracks too far and now something has happened that, as posted above, hasn't happened before. I wouldn't be surprised if the reason those pillars were left so close in the designs is because noone has ever left the track before, thus no reason to expect anyone ever would. After this accident I would expect some changes in either course safety or slowing down the event.

RIP to the athelete, and condolences to his family, friends and teammates.


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