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On March 10th a 50 years old Taiwanese visitor to Vancouver was violated by the CBSA at YVR and forced to sent back to Taiwan. This has caused a public outrage in Taiwan's media and the Foreign affair office of Taiwan has demanded the CBSA to explain its acts.
The Taiwanese woman, who planned to visit her relatives in Vancouver, arrived days ago at the Vancouver International Airport on a visitor Visa. While waiting for her luggage, she was taken to the interrogate room with no apparent reason, and have all her luggage opened. Her underwear were then violently thrown to the ground, and she was confronted by several Canadian staff custom with questions such as" if you are staying for only 10 days, why bringing in so many pieces of underwear?"(when in fact she did not bring so much) And asked why was her Visa expired, when in fact her visa was in effect. As she cannot speak English, she tried to explain that she was here only to visit her daughter’s relatives and asked if she could make a call to them, but that request was abruptly rejected, the CBSA then confiscated her cellphone and notebook, and then ordered her not to touch anything. She as then confined for more than five hours with no reasons and felt gravely humiliated. After that the custom staff threatened her to take the night flight back to Taiwan or will have her arrested and put to jail. Unable to defend for herself, she was forced to sign the form to agree to be deported, with tear running down her face.
Upon returning to Taiwan, the incident was reported to the Ministry of Foreign Affiars of the Republic of China(Taiwan) and caused an public outrage. The news was reported on the media and the Ministry has demanded the CBSA to explain for themselves. And has warned them this incident has given a bad name to Canada as a whole. Taiwan is a fully developed and prosperous country, there is no way that a woman from Taiwan will “jump plane” to Canada, and thus no reasonable ground to treat this woman with such behavior.
With the Polish immigrant case still fresh in our mind, it is unbelievable that our custom’s unacceptable practice still hasn’t changed. It is time that our government do something to improve our services at the boarder, before the CBSA embarrass us again.
With the Polish immigrant case still fresh in our mind, it is unbelievable that our custom’s unacceptable practice still hasn’t changed. It is time that our government do something to improve our services at the boarder, before the CBSA embarrass us again.
For the record, the death of Mr. Dziekanski had nothing to do with the CBSA, it was the RCMP's actions that caused his death.
The CBSA has the right to search anybody whom they find suspicious. If I remember correctly, there has been two or three cases where Taiwanese women have flown in with an unreasonable amount of intimate underwear and bras for the time they are staying in Canada, makes it suspicious that they are here to jump plane and work as a hooker, or masseuse.
It states at the US/Canada Border that anybody whom is entering the US/Canada is subject to full searches performed by the CBSA and US Customs. Which is basically waiving your rights.
If the CBSA has doubt, they have the right to deport people. And even if they had given her her phone back, what could the people she have called possibly done? Nothing, anybody who tries to go past gate will be considered a threat and detained by the RCMP and CBSA.
The CBSA's job is to protect the country, and limit who gets in and out. Regardless of whether the country is developed or not, they can still bring trouble. If a known prostitute tries to come down to Canada from the States with all of her personal belongings, I'm sure the CBSA would deport her right back to the states. By letting them in would be wasting the country's money in seeking help for them, or sending them to correctional facilities. Although this lady might not have meant any harm, you can't blame the CBSA for doing their job and taking the safety precautions, cause someday down the road, when a lot of felons get in our country and jump plane, the media will turn their eyes on the CBSA and blame it all on them.
For the record, the death of Mr. Dziekanski had nothing to do with the CBSA, it was the RCMP's actions that caused his death.
The CBSA has the right to search anybody whom they find suspicious. If I remember correctly, there has been two or three cases where Taiwanese women have flown in with an unreasonable amount of intimate underwear and bras for the time they are staying in Canada, makes it suspicious that they are here to jump plane and work as a hooker, or masseuse.
It states at the US/Canada Border that anybody whom is entering the US/Canada is subject to full searches performed by the CBSA and US Customs. Which is basically waiving your rights.
If the CBSA has doubt, they have the right to deport people. And even if they had given her her phone back, what could the people she have called possibly done? Nothing, anybody who tries to go past gate will be considered a threat and detained by the RCMP and CBSA.
The CBSA's job is to protect the country, and limit who gets in and out. Regardless of whether the country is developed or not, they can still bring trouble. If a known prostitute tries to come down to Canada from the States with all of her personal belongings, I'm sure the CBSA would deport her right back to the states. By letting them in would be wasting the country's money in seeking help for them, or sending them to correctional facilities. Although this lady might not have meant any harm, you can't blame the CBSA for doing their job and taking the safety precautions, cause someday down the road, when a lot of felons get in our country and jump plane, the media will turn their eyes on the CBSA and blame it all on them.
Well, the question is not whether the CBSA has the right to search, but the WAY they do their search. According to the news in Taiwan,
1) the VISA is clearly in effect, but the CBSA at YVR asked her why her visa has expired, which clearly is a tactic to threaten her, which I found very low.
2) If you had look at her on the news report in Taiwan, you will not suspect her of being a prositute. Better yet, shes over 50 years old.
3) Even if the luggages need to be opened and checked, they should be done in a respectful manner, nothing like throwing them to the ground and making her feel insulted.
4) The custom should not threaten to deport her what so ever without any concrete proof that she may post a threat.
5) Her request to call her relative was rejected for no reason..she felt the CBSA is just toying with her.
6) Lastly...how the hell can a 50 years old woman post a threat to canada's national security...is canada so weak? This is exactly like the polish guy's case, how the hell can a mid age man with a stapler post any threat to four buff and trained RCMP officers? the canadian practice is way overdue for revision.
well if ppl from japan will claim refugee status in canada, so will ppl from taiwan. As much as i hate the actions of customs officers, it really depends on who you get and in the end they're doing their job if they feel the somethings wrong with the story. That being said i hope that Customs officer gets raped in the ass for being such a bitch.
i mean if the taiwanese chick was hot and 19 there might be an issue about hookers and whatnot, but this lady is 50 years old, i dont think theres a market for her.
but in anyway, CBSA can be really anal, but to my experience only in BC, i've traveled internationally through other provinces and they're not like that at all, generally speaking they're much more friendly and not always suspecting everyone to be lying.
they give people a hard time when they bring too much, when they bring too little, staying too short, staying too long. most of my relatives/family friends vowed never to visit canada again.
while it's their job to be vigiliant about these things, sometimes they abuse their power a little too much.
CBSA needs a database of employees + languages + On shift.
seems like a lot of shit happen cuz of mis communication.
business idea? simple access database that looks up the current employee schedule from access cards , and returns if the language input = 1
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Well, the question is not whether the CBSA has the right to search, but the WAY they do their search. According to the news in Taiwan,
1) the VISA is clearly in effect, but the CBSA at YVR asked her why her visa has expired, which clearly is a tactic to threaten her, which I found very low.
2) If you had look at her on the news report in Taiwan, you will not suspect her of being a prositute. Better yet, shes over 50 years old.
3) Even if the luggages need to be opened and checked, they should be done in a respectful manner, nothing like throwing them to the ground and making her feel insulted.
4) The custom should not threaten to deport her what so ever without any concrete proof that she may post a threat.
5) Her request to call her relative was rejected for no reason..she felt the CBSA is just toying with her.
6) Lastly...how the hell can a 50 years old woman post a threat to canada's national security...is canada so weak? This is exactly like the polish guy's case, how the hell can a mid age man with a stapler post any threat to four buff and trained RCMP officers? the canadian practice is way overdue for revision.
1) I don't see how it would threaten her. It could be an honest mistake, or they could just be being a dick. But it shouldn't be a threatening tactic. If I was a cop and I pulled you over and kept on asking you why is your Drivers License expired, it wouldn't be a threat in any way, more like me being blind and ignorant.
2) Watch an episode or two of Cops, theres so many prostitutes 50+
3) The CBSA is supposed to have the upper hand. I'm working to get into the CBSA, and a friend who is already working at the CBSA told me that even if they see somebody they know, they still have to look professional and put on that asshole face. They can't show any weaknesses, the last thing we'd want is thugs flying in thinking they can manipulate the CBSA and getting into the country.
My dad was searched once and they basically flipped through his shit and didn't bother helping him put it back. Didn't throw it on the ground or anything but just caused a hassle. I'm sure theres more to the story than what she reported. I know she must've said something or done something to a CBSA officer to provoke such an action is they're actually "throwing" underwear on the ground (which I don't see is such a big deal) In my experiences, as long as I was nice to any authourity figure, they are nice back.
4) Again, they're taking precautions cause things similar to this has already happened in the past. Woman from Taiwan, comes to Canada, jumps plane, and can't be found anymore. Happened twice.
5) Things are supposed to be kept in a professional matter, if your teacher doesn't allow you to call up your mommy or daddy during class what would you do? Nothing. You can't do anything cause It's the classroom rules.
6) No, Canada is not that weak. But do you really want to be living in a city infested with drug dealers, prostitutes, rapist, murderers and child molesters running around who all came from other countries? And you know that thanks to the CBSA who didn't deport them initially when they could've but now you can't really do anything about them because the Canadian Justice System only gives out slaps on the wrist?
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While in this case the CBSA might have been too extreme, I still think that Canada needs to take a stronger stance on who gets in the country. We are still pacifists and are afraid to make anyone upset. It's time for Canadians to stop being pussies when it comes immigration and religion.
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