Israel Murders Members of Aid Flotilla

[Noir]

Originally Posted by mikemhg

Israel should never have boarded this ship, and their acts of aggression are cruel and disgusting. Pull your head out of your fucking asses, and quit drinking the Western/Israeli Propaganda.

Why not? It's a fucking blockade intended to intercept items deemed a contraband.

It's no different than police officers setting up road blocks when there's an APB or dragnet for an escaped/escaping criminal, or vehicles smuggling contraband.

Will you fight officers who inspect your vehicle because they have no probable cause?

[Meowjin]

Originally Posted by Noir

Why not? It's a fucking blockade intended to intercept items deemed a contraband.

It's no different than police officers setting up road blocks when there's an APB or dragnet for an escaped/escaping criminal, or vehicles smuggling contraband.

Will you fight officers who inspect your vehicle because they have no probable cause?

international waters.

[Meowjin]

Originally Posted by El Bastardo

I think this is the bitter pill that everyone in this thread needs to swallow.

No it's not. It's zionists. Anti-Semitism was HUGE in europe prior to wwII. The fact that they gave them a homeland in an area which was anti-semite was retarded in the first place.

Just as many disabled, handicapped, christans were persecuted in deathcamps

[belka]

Originally Posted by mikemhg

^^Ever heard of Tiananmen square? It's called a protest you fucking moron.^^

Waaaaa, waaaaa.

The world is better without idiots like her, more protesters like her should get run over. Maybe she should have asked the terrorist not to blow up a bus and the family home would have been spared. Israel does not play games with terrorists, their families and the Palestinians who voted in a terrorist organization to government in the first place.

In order for the Palestinians to have any chance for a decent future Israel needs to retake Gaza OR have an international force govern and police that strip. It has been made clear to the world that the Palestinians cannot keep their rockets grounded. If the Palestinians or ANYONE here thinks that sending rockets into Israel will bring peace, then they are an idiot. It's the Palestinians who need to wake the fuck up and start acting like contributing members to the international community.

[El Bastardo]

Originally Posted by MajinHurricane

No it's not. It's zionists. Anti-Semitism was HUGE in europe prior to wwII. The fact that they gave them a homeland in an area which was anti-semite was retarded in the first place.

Just as many disabled, handicapped, christans were persecuted in deathcamps

I meant in respect to the 'modern era'

The last 30 years or so.

[belka]

Why don't these aid ships go to ports in Egypt or Israel where it actually stands a chance to get into Gaza? These "humanitarians" don't care about the Palestinians, they just want to get Israel into the headlines for trying to protect their citizens against rocket attacks. Running a blockade will NOT get aid into Gaza and these idiots who run these flotilla ships know this. The blockade is not going away, they need to deal with it or face consequences.

I can't blame Israel one bit. Its a legally enforced blockade to make sure weapons aren't getting to Hamas to be fired at Israelis, that simple. Personally, I think they should stop risking their men by raiding these boats. Instead, one shot across the bow and if they keep coming one shot on target. I think one of those flotilla boats would go under in less than a minute. One warning shot, one kill shot. Perfectly legal blockade, perfectly illegal flotilla.

[Noir]

Originally Posted by MajinHurricane

international waters.

So was the American blockade of the Cuban Missile Crisis.

[Manic!]

Originally Posted by belka

Why don't these aid ships go to ports in Egypt or Israel where it actually stands a chance to get into Gaza? T

Here is a partial list of items that Israel still denies the population of Gaza:

* sage
* cardamom
* cumin
* coriander
* ginger
* jam
* halva
* vinegar
* nutmeg
* chocolate
* fruit preserves
* seeds and nuts
* biscuits and sweets
* potato chips
* gas for soft drinks
* dried fruit
* fresh meat
* plaster
* tar
* wood for construction
* cement
* iron
* glucose
* industrial salt
* plastic/glass/metal containers
* industrial margarine
* tarpaulin sheets for huts
* fabric (for clothing)
* flavor and smell enhancers
* fishing rods
* various fishing nets
* buoys
* ropes for fishing
* nylon nets for greenhouses
* hatcheries and spare parts for hatcheries
* spare parts for tractors
* dairies for cowsheds
* irrigation pipe systems
* ropes to tie greenhouses
* planters for saplings
* heaters for chicken farms
* musical instruments
* size A4 paper
* writing implements
* notebooks
* newspapers
* toys
* razors
* sewing machines and spare parts
* heaters
* horses
* donkeys
* goats
* cattle
* chicks
These are items which have only recently been allowed and the date they were allowed but which the people of Gaza have had to do without for a good while.

In the 1st half 2009 the following was finally allowed in

* wheat
* animal feed
* flour
* cooking oil
* cooking fat
* sugar
* salt
* pasta
* dates
* garlic
* chick peas
* rice
* beans
* lentils
* kidney beans
* margarine
* dairy products
* powdered milk
* frozen meat and fish
* frozen vegetables
* animal medicines
* gas for medical use
* empty bags for flour
* medicines and medical equipment
* female hygiene products
* nappies (diapers)
* toilet paper
* detergent
* washing liquid
* shampoo
* soap
* toothpaste
* toothbrushes
* cleaning products for tiles
* cleaning products for glass
* toilet-cleaner
* yeast
* fertilised eggs
* fruit
* semolina

In June 2009 the following was finally allowed in

* polythene for greenhouses
* agricultural materials

In October 2009 the following was finally allowed in

* tea
* coffee

In November 2009 the following was finally allowed in

* instant coffee
* canned tuna
* salami
* canned meat
* washing-up sponges
* bath sponges
* cloths for mopping the floor
* baby wipes
* other canned goods, with the exception of tinned fruit
* zaatar (dried herb mix)
* sesame seeds
* black pepper
* chicken stock powder
* blankets

In December 2009 the following was finally allowed in

* olives
* matches
* candles
* sticks for brooms
* rubbish bins
* mops
* hand-cleansing gel
* aniseed
* cinnamon
* camomile
* unfertilised eggs
* glass (to a maximum of 200 trucks)
* water-dispensers
* potatoes

In February 2010 the following was finally allowed in

* mineral water

In March 2010 the following was finally allowed in

* tahini (sesame paste)
* combs
* hair brushes
* clothes
* shoes

In April 2010 the following was finally allowed in

* wood (for doorposts and window frames)
* aluminium
* kitchenware

[StylinRed]

^^^ goddamn even i wasnt aware of all the stuff that wasnt allowed or just recently allowed.... SOAP??? Toothpaste Shampoo?!!! my god

Originally Posted by bing

your not that passionate about the issue? yet you sit in here replying to everything.

its easy to type replies but arduous to read long posts... i think everyone on rs knows this :P

Originally Posted by Noir

Why not? It's a fucking blockade intended to intercept items deemed a contraband.

It's no different than police officers setting up road blocks when there's an APB or dragnet for an escaped/escaping criminal, or vehicles smuggling contraband.

Will you fight officers who inspect your vehicle because they have no probable cause?

i'd point it out to you; but i know your smart enough to see why its actually wrong and isn't remotely comparable to your analogy; your more likely just trying to troll :P

[m!chael]

Originally Posted by MajinHurricane

fucking zionists. you still prove yourself to be a tool

oh and those who brought up the nato bullshit, it seems like israel attacked a turkish ship in international waters.

Fucking greeks, still fucking up the EU. Why don't you guys just get your shit together and stop destroying an entire continent's prospects of recovery.

By the way, I have a country, so Zionism won. Suck on this you dirty anti-semite in disguise.

[m!chael]

Originally Posted by MajinHurricane

international waters.

this just proves how much of an idiot you are. You think Israel would let the ship enter Blockaded waters. Just by default, blockading an area of water would mean that any ship that tries to defy it would have to be intercepted in intentional waters. I actually didn't think you were that dumb, but I guess I was mistaken.

[StylinRed]

Originally Posted by m!chael

this just proves how much of an idiot you are. You think Israel would let the ship enter Blockaded waters. Just by default, blockading an area of water would mean that any ship that tries to defy it would have to be intercepted in intentional waters. I actually didn't think you were that dumb, but I guess I was mistaken.

we've already been through this.... they're not allowed to intercept it until its breached the blockade

Originally Posted by m!chael

Fucking greeks, still fucking up the EU. Why don't you guys just get your shit together and stop destroying an entire continent's prospects of recovery.

By the way, I have a country, so Zionism won. Suck on this you dirty anti-semite in disguise.

1. since you are fine with how Zionism won; then you shouldn't care about Hamas' actions you should understand it. (Ehud Barak understands it)

Originially posted by Ehud Barak
.אם הייתי פלסטיני בגיל המתאים, הייתי נכנס בשלב מסוים לאחד מארגוני הטרור
"If I were a Palestinian at the right age, I would have joined one of the terrorist organizations at a certain stage."

2. Israel is always throwing the word "anti-semite" around when someone disagrees with their actions

3. Greece isn't the only source of Europes problems

[m!chael]

Originally Posted by StylinRed

we've already been through this.... they're not allowed to intercept it until its breached the blockade





1. since you are fine with how Zionism won; then you shouldn't care about Hamas' actions you should understand it. (Ehud Barak understands it)


2. Israel is always throwing the word "anti-semite" around when someone disagrees with their actions

3. Greece isn't the only source of Europes problems

1. We already posted the laws. Yes they are allowed to do that. Just because you decided so in your parents' basement doesn't mean its the truth.

2. Idiot. I'm not even gonna acknowledge you just said that.

3. No we don't. I didn't call you an anti semite because I really don't think you are one. That douch bag majin is on the other hand. And he also thinks he can get away with anything he says because he's one of the revescene allstars and he starts a thread for every dumb problem he has. I know this is the internet and we shouldn't take it seriously, which I don't, but it just makes me laugh that a loser like him would never even have the nerve to say that to someone like me in real life because He understands how silly the shit he says is and he knows he would get knocked out by someone eventually.

[m4k4v4li]

i want to fuel this flame war

Israel is pwning n00bs cuz jews have hella Xp + $$... they are the L337 righteous international actors on higher moral ground that can impose its will when they feel "threatened" by palestinians throwing stones across the boarder... oh and theyre pretty good at convincing their overly nationalistic population of this using propaganda/mass media with a splash of religion/zionism

jews need to leave the middle east and go back to germany! ya i went there.

[Noir]

Originally Posted by StylinRed

we've already been through this.... they're not allowed to intercept it until its breached the blockade

You may be correct on the bolded portion but before the flotilla was boarded, were they not instructed to divert or alter course?

Obviously if the flotilla refuses, then there really was only 1 intention wasn't it, and that's to breach the blockade.

[m4k4v4li]

Originally Posted by Noir

So was the American blockade of the Cuban Missile Crisis.

ok?
think u just proved his point

comparing the possibility a vessel MIGHT carry certain things necessary to make primitive rockets =/= an actual nuclear threat... not a very suiting example

Originally Posted by m!chael

this just proves how much of an idiot you are. You think Israel would let the ship enter Blockaded waters. Just by default, blockading an area of water would mean that any ship that tries to defy it would have to be intercepted in intentional waters. I actually didn't think you were that dumb, but I guess I was mistaken.

except what you're preaching goes against international law?

[StylinRed]

Originally Posted by Noir

You may be correct on the bolded portion but before the flotilla was boarded, were they not instructed to divert or alter course?

Obviously if the flotilla refuses, then there really was only 1 intention wasn't it, and that's to breach the blockade.

there was no doubt what the intent was... the organizers proclaimed their intent before they even got on the ships

but if israel didn't carry out an act of piracy (which is what they did under "United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea")
there wouldn't be as large an outcry

the validity of those on board defending against the Israeli forces is because they were boarded in international waters (an attack) so they have all the right in their actions.

If Israel boarded them legally; any aggression by members on the ship would support Israels actions... but who knows if they would still have been aggressive when out of international waters

[Meowjin]

Yeah because people that live in palestine should be treated like dogs. I mean who wants to be clean and healthy and educated.

Because you know, oppression only leads into love and peace.

You know you would think zionists would understand what it's like to be treated like dogs.

Give them more nukes, maybe it'll make them more friends.

[ericthehalfbee]

To all the people talking about the ship being boarded in international waters, I have a question.

What if Israel waited a few more hours until the ships were 100 metres inside the blockaded area and then proceeded to board the ships with the same results (people dying).

Would you say they had the right to do so, or would you have another reason to condemn their actions?

[belka]

Originally Posted by ericthehalfbee

To all the people talking about the ship being boarded in international waters, I have a question.

What if Israel waited a few more hours until the ships were 100 metres inside the blockaded area and then proceeded to board the ships with the same results (people dying).

Would you say they had the right to do so, or would you have another reason to condemn their actions?

Since Gaza isn't a country or state, how can they own any of the water off their shores?

[murd0c]

This is just a war that has and always will go on. It will get better for a bit then blow out of control like it has now. Gotta love the religion and what it does to basicly destroy countrys in the long run.
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[Noir]

Originally Posted by 6chr0nic4

comparing the possibility a vessel MIGHT carry certain things necessary to make primitive rockets =/= an actual nuclear threat... not a very suiting example

This the first time I'll have to throw an insult but what a retard.

So you're saying the validity of a blockade changes depending on the gravity of contraband?

So nukes are okay, but you think if the rockets are primitive, or if it were only a shipment of AK-47s, or just a containership of cocaine, you don't think those items of contraband should be justifiable of a blockade. Or maybe you're just seeing a difference because it's inconvenient in your villification of Israel?

Originally Posted by StylinRed

there was no doubt what the intent was... the organizers proclaimed their intent before they even got on the ships

So if the intent was to deliver aid by breaching the blockade, then what are we arguing about?

[Manic!]

Originally Posted by Noir

This the first time I'll have to throw an insult but what a retard.

So you're saying the validity of a blockade changes depending on the gravity of contraband?

Yes look what happens with protests in countries like Canada. When 420 protests happen in Vancouver do cops go arrest people because pot is illegal? No because they no better. Just because you are legally right could still mean you are wrong depending on what you do.

Also any country based on religion = fail.

[El Bastardo]

Originally Posted by belka

The world is better without idiots like her, more protesters like her should get run over. Maybe she should have asked the terrorist not to blow up a bus and the family home would have been spared. Israel does not play games with terrorists, their families and the Palestinians who voted in a terrorist organization to government in the first place.

Don't dehumanize her because her politics and yours don't mix. This was a person with a family who died because someone else didn't view her as a person too.

No matter what side she supports or who she was protesting against this person's death served no purpose and obviously left a hole in the lives of the people close to her.

Do you treat people who cut you off in traffic and take too long ahead of you in line at McDonalds the same way too?
"The world would be better without idiots like the one ahead of me asking for extra sauce on their McChicken. Fuck McChicken anyway. The Fillet of Fish is the superior sandwich"

Ridiculous analogy but its the same logic you're demonstrating.

[Meowjin]

offtopic but the filet o fish is pretty damn good.