please don't make this personal or it will end up in fightclub, keep comments objective

listen, nobody is "trying to put you in your place", stop feeling so victimized, nobody here is looking down upon natives, everyone's speaking from personal experience, but if everybody's personal experiences are similar then there's obviously got to be some truth behind it

i just want to know when the government will stop subsidizing first nations for school/housing etc., i want EQUAL treatment from the gov't of all races BECAUSE i think you are all equally capable of succeeding as the rest of us

This is a good thread, lets keep it on topic. Take any personal shit down to Fight Club

Here's a brief history lesson to those spouting off rants about eliminating Indian status, the reserve system, etc.

1763:
Royal Proclamation from the King of England. Land occupied by Indians cannot be sold or occupied unless agreed to by the Indians themselves and only if the land is surrendered to the Crown (i.e government.) This document is essentially the foundation for First Nations-government relations today.

1969:
Jean Chretien, Minister of Indian Affairs, releases a white paper advocating for the elimination of the Indian reserve system, the abolishment of the Indian Act, and the assimilation of Indians into Canadian society

1970s:
- The Indian Chiefs of Alberta release a response to the white paper and oppose all aspects of the white paper.
- The Calder decision: the Supreme Court of Canada recognizes Aboriginal title (i.e. First Nations had an interest in land prior to colonization)
- The Canadian government backs down and establishes the Office of Native Claims to resolves First Nation historical grievances

1982:
- Aboriginal rights are confirmed in s.35 of the 1982 Constitution Act.

There were also a couple of Supreme Court decisions that confirmed the existence of Aboriginal title - the Guerin decision in 1984 and the Delgamuukw decision in 1997. The Supreme Court has stated that Aboriginal title is unique and is protected by the Constitution which is why governments and companies need to consult with First Nations whenever they want to do something on First Nations land.

Basically, the privileges that First Nations enjoy are supported in law and have been continually upheld by the courts. No government has attempted to turn back the clock and abolish the Indian Act, eliminate the reserve system, etc. because not only would it be politically difficult, such actions wouldn't stand up in court either.

(And let me remind you about how our judicial system works before you respond by saying something ludicrous like, "We should have elected judges. Screw all the hippies in the courts!" Supreme Court judges are appointed by the Prime Minister. Our system of law (at the federal level anyway) is the common law which is based on precedent.)

^ what is this indian act you are talking about. Cause the "Indian Act" of 1952 was a extremly racist act that include crimes design specifically for the native. For example the act made it so is a crime for native to be caught drunk off of reserves. Majority if not all of the Indian Act has now been struck down because it violates our charter of rights. I'm not aware of other acts call "Indian Act" other than this racist pos. please school me.

Social Studies Grade 11 material right here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_P...3#Native_lands

God forbid that natives can't be drunk in a public place, just like everyone else. FYI, public intoxication will get you arrested no matter whether you were drinking JW Blue Label, or Listerine...

IIRC you can only get arrested if you are drunk AND being rowdy, maybe throwing and damaging shit. I've see lots of people just being drunk on the street, shit i've been one. Never been hassle by the police unless you are trying to start shit

Legally, you can't be intoxicated in public.

Our po po aren't so bad that they are going to bother you if you're a sleepy-well-behaved-drunk.

They will even let it slide if your a loud-but-happy-drunk.

But if you're an angry-start-shit-with-others-drunk, that's where they draw the line.

Let me remind you: Government can override the supreme court.

Just cause a government hasn't done it yet doesn't mean we won't have a government that eventually does it.

Oh really?

The notwithstanding clause only applies to sections 2 and 7-15 of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms (none of which relate to Aboriginal rights.)

The Crown is certainly free to challenge any decision made by a lower court, but the Supreme Court is the final court of the land. Any decision it makes on anything is final and all lower courts and governments must comply with the spirit of its decisions.

That's not true, the old Walmart in Duncan was built on native land...

First, I'd like to thank deuel_1 for taking a shit pile of abuse in this thread, and maintaining a calm demeanor.

I think what a lot of the arrogant bigots would prefer would be for them to say things like, "should have finished them off", have him get mad and claim that he's just another angry indian. Classic straw man argument.

Let's also get another thing straight...it wasn't stealing a little land, it was genocide. Pure and simple. We say, but that was mostly in the states. Sure, it was pretty ruthless there. The Indian Wars were brutal in their efficiency. This was after they continually pushed Indians westward multiple times. Oh..then Custer decided it was time for a slaughter. We did the same things here...met any Indians from Newfoundland? I think that must count as one of the few genocides that was completed.

I don't agree with a lot of the handouts Native Folks continue to receive, but the latent amount of racism in this thread is pretty sick.

What is more funny is that a lot of it is coming from Asian Immigrants.

Come on now, keep it civil.

Difference is that all the Asian Immigrants are out there getting an education and working like the rest of you white folks while a majority of the natives just sit around with their handouts and/or waste their life away doing nothing but mean mugging people at skytrain stations.

maybe the only guidance these mean mugging natives had growing up were mean mugging parents

so i don't think free school to the ones who are strong enough to break the cycle is a bad idea at all

if you have uneducated parents and family members, imagine the difference it would have made in your development if they were educated; and vice versa

how else do you explain ghetto mainlanders?

^ that is true.

Education has nothing to do with it. Attitudes have everything to do with it.

to the person who told me to stop feeling so victimized...there are no words or actions that could ever make me feel victimized I'm proud of who I am and where I come from no matter what anyone says to about me or my people. Everything I said in this thread was in hopes that I could change some views of my people whether you choose to believe me or not a lot of us are good people who would give you the shirt off our backs if you needed it. To those of you who choose to hate us all because we have some benefits you don't, I would trade it all if it meant the history of my people could be altered.
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I'm pretty sure you've changed a few minds of some people in here.

My best friend is 1/2 native, adopted by a white family when he was a baby. He is pretty proud of his native heritage, but at the same time he has never gotten a status card, or used any other benefits the government offers natives. He has a good job which he performs well, but outside of work he can be one of the laziest motherfuckers around. But who's to say that has anything to do with his race?

Nothing says it has to do with race.
But some things are genetic predisposition or cultural predispositions.

Asian people aren't genetically superior in analytical stuff (math, sciences), but their culture pushes them that way.

On the other hand, bad drivers?
The number of horrible asian drivers can't be a coincidence.
So it'd be pretty safe to assume that there's a genetic predisposition there.



As for the whole alcohol issue.
I think that one's tricky. Yes it's kind of a willpower issue.
But at the same time, when you are genetically susceptible to get hammered easily, it doesn't help matters at all.

Truth. My parents were uneducated and poor from China. We used to live in a small apartment near Chinatown. I remember when my parents had to sell our car cause we didn't have enough money. But they kept working hard, saving and they went from an apartment, to a small house, to a 900k (although it was 400k-500k or something like that back in 2000) house with two cars.

I'm currently working as a business analyst right now so I don't think I turned out badly at all with uneducated parents.

Don't Asians have the same genetic predisposition? You don't see us like them.

Ahh, but that's the catch in this world. Opportunity is the best tool to change attitudes from being lazy to having something to go after. What opportunities do you have if you have no advanced schooling? McDonalds? You can probably make more money hustling on the street while being your own boss. So why is it a surprise ppl do that?

What do you learn on the street? How to be an animal.

What do you learn at a job using knowledge to make things run better? How the world works.

There's always those who fall through the cracks for various reasons. Did you parents drink? Were they fucked up? Imagine if they were.. would you have been able to fight through? Maybe you could, but it would have been a lot harder and some are bound to fail.

And what's to say you would have figured out as a kid that school was the right path to follow if your parents didn't beat it into you? School itself isn't easy. It's pretty counter-intuitive. Who wants to read shit for 15-20 years? You drop out, have kids.. then what influences do those kids have?