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Old 09-19-2010, 02:16 PM   #26
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I had WD in the past, switched to seagate 2 years ago and the seagate crapped out after about a year, the Rma process is ridiculous for seagate, so I switched back to WD.

My WS that's been running for about 7-8years is still going strong, so I'm definitely sticking with them from now on
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Kind of off-topic, guys (sorry OP)

Is it true that Seagate bought Maxtor? If so, could this takeover possibly explain the poor RMA process and quality of HDDs?

Just a thought.
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at that price, you mind as well buy twice or even three times amount of drives for backup. heck, even pay for cloud service

i'm still on a black + green on my desktop, but i'm recommending an ssd + green more now
This is similar to my setup too. I have 1 SSD OS drive and 3 WD blacks. 1 for downloads and 2 for storage in RAID.
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Kind of off-topic, guys (sorry OP)

Is it true that Seagate bought Maxtor? If so, could this takeover possibly explain the poor RMA process and quality of HDDs?

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You are right:

http://www.maxtor.com/home-en-us.html

Maxtor is now Seagate.
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Kind of off-topic, guys (sorry OP)

Is it true that Seagate bought Maxtor? If so, could this takeover possibly explain the poor RMA process and quality of HDDs?

Just a thought.
No. For one, the quality of Seagate drives are very good. Secondly, their RMA process is very good as well.

They use the Maxtor drives for low end devices, like the cheaper external drives, etc.
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No. For one, the quality of Seagate drives are very good. Secondly, their RMA process is very good as well.
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I had WD in the past, switched to seagate 2 years ago and the seagate crapped out after about a year, the Rma process is ridiculous for seagate, so I switched back to WD.
For the sake of discussion, rk604 had a different experience. Details?
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We install high-end surveillance DVRs, some using four- and eight-drive RAID5 arrays, all of which can REALLY put a strain on drives, with sustained 24/7 read/write access. We've seen a lot of different drives come and go (including a ton of those Maxtor thin drives blowing up). Currently we're using the 1TB and 2TB WD Blacks and been very happy with them. One site, we've had four of eight Seagate 1TB Barracudas in an array fail (all within barely two years of service, the first within a few months), and replaced them all with the Blacks.
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There was a problem with the Seagate 7200.11 series a couple years ago. The problem was fixed with a firmware upgrade. This is still ingrained in lot of peoples memories. A lot of these drives are still running and failing as we speak. You can include these in your sample data or you can ignore them, depending on your viewpoint.

http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/...200-11-failing

The 7200.11s being sold now should all be OK.
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1 black, 1 green on my main, 1 green on home server that's rarely used and another black on fam computer.. all reliable!
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We install high-end surveillance DVRs, some using four- and eight-drive RAID5 arrays, all of which can REALLY put a strain on drives, with sustained 24/7 read/write access. We've seen a lot of different drives come and go (including a ton of those Maxtor thin drives blowing up). Currently we're using the 1TB and 2TB WD Blacks and been very happy with them. One site, we've had four of eight Seagate 1TB Barracudas in an array fail (all within barely two years of service, the first within a few months), and replaced them all with the Blacks.
Those maxtor thin drives were the worst lol. We had so many RMA's come back at my old place.
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Don't buy spin drives unless you're content with old technology
Go SSD drives if you can afford them.
You will not regret it. Read & Write times are incredible.
If you want to go crazy fast then get dual SSD and install a raid 0.
I can't exactly justify spending $3000 just to get 1TB of SSD...

Spinny drives still have their purpose.
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I can't exactly justify spending $3000 just to get 1TB of SSD...

Spinny drives still have their purpose.
Well I couldn't justify maintaining a ford mustang but you seem to think it money worth spending
Different strokes for different folks I guess.
For the computer savvy high tech geeks the cost of SSD's is worth it for the performance gains.
I'm one of the few who has to have the latest technology.
Yes its expensive but relative to things like cars, houses, kids, college its not that much.
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Uhh I don't know any computer tech savvy geeks that would get that large of an ssd. Tech savvy ppl use an ssd for the operating system and regular drive for storage. Why you need instant access to file storage is beyond me. Ie. Your not gonna get any benefits streaming video on ssd vs. Regular drive.
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I run WD's now.

I used to run Segates, but after all the commotion about faulty drives I changed everything to WD Blacks upon most people recommendations.

I'm running a couple green for storage drives, so far no issues.
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It's a complete waste of money if you're using it for storage.
if your a big online storage company, or even medium to large corporations, then its worth it.. but for personal use, its not worth it... UNLESS your SUPER RICH!
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if your a big online storage company, or even medium to large corporations, then its worth it.. but for personal use, its not worth it... UNLESS your SUPER RICH!
Uhh.. Why on earth would a big online storage company or even medium to large corp. use extremely expensive SSD's when they can buy a shitload of cheaper, larger, and inexpensively replaced spinning drives. That is defnitely not worth it and definitely not the case. As mentioned regular drives are more than adequate for data storage.
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Hard drives are quite cheap nowadays. You can get a 1TB for like $50buxs at NCIX from their weekly sales. I'm planning to get some WD HD's to use as backup storage.
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Skinnypupp. I checked my work email and it was a 8tb server raid something or another. Forgot the model name.

I hope that clears it up.

I misread it for a 2tb cavier green
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Uhh.. Why on earth would a big online storage company or even medium to large corp. use extremely expensive SSD's when they can buy a shitload of cheaper, larger, and inexpensively replaced spinning drives. That is defnitely not worth it and definitely not the case. As mentioned regular drives are more than adequate for data storage.
On top of that, spinny drives are still more reliable for long-term and sustained use. There's an extensive discussion on using them for video storage on a LinkedIn surveillance group, and the fact is, after a LOT of read/write operations and sustained access, they start to see cell failures and data corruption.
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There was a problem with the Seagate 7200.11 series a couple years ago. The problem was fixed with a firmware upgrade. This is still ingrained in lot of peoples memories. A lot of these drives are still running and failing as we speak. You can include these in your sample data or you can ignore them, depending on your viewpoint.

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Yes... I bought one a year ago, it failed on me 6 months later and I sent it in for warranty, there was a $20 charge for replacement... I got the same model drive back.... failed again 6 months later. I just said fuck it an bought a WD.
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That's a terrible analogy.

The big difference is that the Mustang APPRECIATES in value as more money is put into it.

A $3000 SSD Drive in your computer will NEVER appreciate in value. In fact in a few years it will be next to worthless.
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On top of that, spinny drives are still more reliable for long-term and sustained use. There's an extensive discussion on using them for video storage on a LinkedIn surveillance group, and the fact is, after a LOT of read/write operations and sustained access, they start to see cell failures and data corruption.
Yeah I would never use an SSD for video recording. It's a total waste of $$ for what it is as well.
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