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gars 10-04-2010 02:29 PM

4GB Ram vs 8GB Ram
 
I'm building a new system, and I don't want to cheap out, just trying to work out what's the best build without having to spend money later on to upgrade.

here's the current build
i5 760 2.8GHz Quad Core
Asus Maximus III Gene mATX board
Patriot Inferno 60GB SSD
EVGA GTX 460 1GB Vid Card

I will be using this for PS (Photography side hobby), as well as gaming. I know that PS CS5 will actually make use of the extra ram, but do you think it's worth it to get the 2x4GB sticks as opposed to 2x2GB sticks? I'm looking into overclocking, and I know that having 4x2GB is bad for that, so it's easier to go for the full 2x4GB right in the beginning....

anybody have any wisdom they would like to share? thanks!

SkinnyPupp 10-04-2010 04:24 PM

If photography is your hobby and not your job, 4GB would be sufficient

Fuhrėr-Z 10-04-2010 06:41 PM

How much is that SSD gonna cost you? I really want a SSD, but man...the prices are just ludicrous.

gars 10-04-2010 07:20 PM

http://www.memoryexpress.com/Product...30355(ME).aspx

i think i'm getting this one. Stupid me, it was on sale over the weekend, for $40 less, but alas, I've decided it's a good one to buy.

you can buy smaller ones for around $100, which are decent. they're usually around 30-40gb in size, which works well, just don't torrent/download to it. I don't even plan on downloading directly to this (I usually like to download direct to the desktop), but I guess I'll download to a separate hd...

but honestly, for the $100, it's well worth the price. The performance increase is really noticeable. it's not really so much for games, but loading up windows and programs, it's so much quicker and snappier.

Fuhrėr-Z 10-04-2010 07:28 PM

Yeah I've seen some pretty impressive benchmarks for them.
It never occurred to me to just run the OS off a SSD and then throw a 1tb HDD in as well...But unfortunately i wouldn't be able to do that with my laptop, which is what I use primarily.

Also this is cheaper:
http://ncix.com/products/index.php?s...n&promoid=1018

gars 10-04-2010 08:29 PM

The Kingston comes at a great price, but it's much more of an entry level SSD. After reading some reviews, you'll find it's great value, and a good bump up from a regular HD, but isn't that great. You'd get much better performance with the Intel X25-V at the same price, but the capacity is much lower at 40GB.

!MiKrofT 10-04-2010 09:48 PM

I was lucky. Got the inferno 120gb for 169.
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gars 10-04-2010 09:54 PM

ya, i wasn't thinking.... when i went to pick up my MB and CPU, I wanted to do some more research into the whole SSD market before I picked anything up...

ah well.

Eclypz 10-05-2010 12:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BaconNbread (Post 7131706)
Yeah I've seen some pretty impressive benchmarks for them.
It never occurred to me to just run the OS off a SSD and then throw a 1tb HDD in as well...But unfortunately i wouldn't be able to do that with my laptop, which is what I use primarily.

Also this is cheaper:
http://ncix.com/products/index.php?s...n&promoid=1018

Sorry for going off topic, but just wanted make a suggestion.

If you want storage capacity but want the performance benefit of a SSD on your laptop, get a Hybrid Drive:
http://www.ncix.com/search/?category...te+momentus+xt

It's not quite as fast as a good SSD, but its faster than any other 2.5" mechanical drive. (and in some cases even faster than most desktop mechanical drives)


SkinnyPupp 10-05-2010 01:24 AM

The XT Hybrid is basically a regular laptop hard drive with a really big cache, don't waste your money.

asian_XL 10-05-2010 02:39 AM

XT is fast only when you are booting up and shutting down (in between normal HD and SSD). I see if you are transferring big files, it's reading at 88mb/s like normal spinning drive.

I have a sandforce 120gb HD here, it's awesome, but normally there are at least 80-90gb of files saved in my HD, putting some new torrent files or new games there is a headache.

Ferra 10-05-2010 06:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BaconNbread (Post 7131643)
How much is that SSD gonna cost you? I really want a SSD, but man...the prices are just ludicrous.

price of SSD is not ludicrous..
you can get a 40GB SSD for $60....a dinner and a movie for 2 will cost more than $60....just tell your gf you guys are not going out this weekend and you will have your $60 for the SSD. :rofl:

seriously...if you use your computer often or you really need the speed for work, that $60-$100 is well worth the price.

underscore 10-05-2010 09:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BaconNbread (Post 7131706)
Yeah I've seen some pretty impressive benchmarks for them.
It never occurred to me to just run the OS off a SSD and then throw a 1tb HDD in as well...But unfortunately i wouldn't be able to do that with my laptop, which is what I use primarily.

Also this is cheaper:
http://ncix.com/products/index.php?s...n&promoid=1018

internal SSD + external 2.5 or 3.5 (depending how portable you want to be) for storage.

Fuhrėr-Z 10-05-2010 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ferra (Post 7132189)
price of SSD is not ludicrous..
you can get a 40GB SSD for $60....a dinner and a movie for 2 will cost more than $60....just tell your gf you guys are not going out this weekend and you will have your $60 for the SSD. :rofl:

seriously...if you use your computer often or you really need the speed for work, that $60-$100 is well worth the price.

Yeah, but how much does a 120gb one cost.
underscore: Honestly, with a laptop, running an external HD (for me) is a huge inconvenience.

underscore 10-05-2010 10:04 AM

stick it underneath and use it as a spacer for cooler + ergonomic keyboard angle haha.

seriously though, I'm not sure how you use your laptop, but mine for the most part is just on the desk at home. So I'd leave the external there with media for that, and have the 40GB for high speed on the go stuff. If you move all over the house then an external might not be for you lol.

you could set it up to boot off of a USB drive though.

Fuhrėr-Z 10-05-2010 10:13 AM

Yeah, can't work with crap sticking in my usb drives, I have a tendency to tilt the notebook and the drives/wires brunt all the weight of the computer on em. Portability is huge for me, I'm constantly moving around the house, and browsing while I'm on the can too :thumbsup:

I do run an external at my desk already, but barely use it. How much of your 40 did you fill up(with applications)?

impulseX 10-05-2010 10:53 AM

wow. everyone went off topic... talking about 2x4gb vs 2x2gb to talking about the SSD's lol

Eclypz 10-05-2010 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp (Post 7132137)
The XT Hybrid is basically a regular laptop hard drive with a really big cache, don't waste your money.

That's exactly what it is (as said in the video). Since when has a large cache paired with a good controller ever been a bad thing? Especially in a scenario where a laptop user wants better performance out of their laptop, yet want to keep a large capacity hard drive without having to lug around an extra external HDD.

The price point isn't exactly bad either.



Quote:

Originally Posted by asian_XL (Post 7132167)
XT is fast only when you are booting up and shutting down (in between normal HD and SSD). I see if you are transferring big files, it's reading at 88mb/s like normal spinning drive.

I have a sandforce 120gb HD here, it's awesome, but normally there are at least 80-90gb of files saved in my HD, putting some new torrent files or new games there is a headache.

Of course! its still a mechanical drive. This is nothing revolutionary. There was no attempt to hide that. This is called a hybrid drive.

It's a "best of both worlds" or "compromise" product. And like all-season tires, they really don't do well at anything in particular, but rather give you the "snappier feel" of the OS while keeping adequate storage capacity (by caching commonly used files for quick access) that a SSD can't provide without breaking the bank.

The hybrid drive obviously won't replace a true SSD, but IMO, it's currently the best compromise for a laptop user that doesn't want to lug around an external HDD for their 100GB worth of MP3s and videos.

gars 10-05-2010 05:19 PM

i read that those hybrids are learning drives. They learn which files you use most and put those on the flash portion. so the first time, you won't notice the difference, but after a few days - you'll find programs (especially heavy ones like Photoshop) will boot much faster.

SkinnyPupp 10-05-2010 10:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eclypz (Post 7132775)
That's exactly what it is (as said in the video). Since when has a large cache paired with a good controller ever been a bad thing? Especially in a scenario where a laptop user wants better performance out of their laptop, yet want to keep a large capacity hard drive without having to lug around an extra external HDD.

The price point isn't exactly bad either.





Of course! its still a mechanical drive. This is nothing revolutionary. There was no attempt to hide that. This is called a hybrid drive.

It's a "best of both worlds" or "compromise" product. And like all-season tires, they really don't do well at anything in particular, but rather give you the "snappier feel" of the OS while keeping adequate storage capacity (by caching commonly used files for quick access) that a SSD can't provide without breaking the bank.

The hybrid drive obviously won't replace a true SSD, but IMO, it's currently the best compromise for a laptop user that doesn't want to lug around an external HDD for their 100GB worth of MP3s and videos.

It's not a bad thing, it's just a waste of money. You're better off spending the same on something which will give more benefit.


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