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Sid Vicious 10-23-2010 01:35 PM

The RCMP Watch: "Relatives sue RCMP, paramedics over death of man found unconscious"
 
http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Rel...419/story.html

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murd0c 10-23-2010 01:38 PM

at least quote the article

Quote:

VANCOUVER -- Relatives of a man who died after being found unconscious in police custody are suing the RCMP and ambulance paramedics.

Ian Alexander Young, 55, was found on a sidewalk in Maple Ridge at about 9:15 p.m. on Oct. 19, 2008.

He was initially examined by paramedics Ross Chute and Ronald Henderson, who responded to a 911 call. The paramedics decided Alexander did not need to be taken to hospital, says the lawsuit filed in B.C. Supreme Court in Vancouver by Young's wife, Karen Young, and his infant daughter.

The legal action claims the paramedics requested police assistance in transporting the man.

Ridge Meadows RCMP Constable Jodi Lymburner arrived minutes later and decided Young did not need to be taken to hospital, the lawsuit claims, but was instead transported to the RCMP detachment and placed in a cell, where Sgt. Roland Pierschke allegedly placed the man on the floor for the night, the lawsuit claims.

About 6 a.m. the next morning, Young was found unresponsive in his cell and was taken to Royal Columbia Hospital, where he died the next day of a severe brain injury, the civil action claims.

The lawsuit claims the RCMP and paramedics were negligent in failing to properly assess Young's condition, provide proper medical treatment and ensure the patient was transported to hospital.

Young's wife and child claim the death caused them to suffer physically, emotionally and psychologically.

The provincial government and the attorney general of B.C. are also named as defendants because the government is the employer of the RCMP officers, the lawsuit claims.

The lawsuit, which contains unproven allegations, is being handled by Vancouver lawyer Cameron Ward.

A B.C. coroner's determined last August that Young's death while in police custody was an accident.

Coroner Vincent Stancato and the jury made several recommendations to both the RCMP and the B.C. Ambulance Service, including one that more be done to look after people with head injuries while in custody.

nhall@vancouversun.com
© Copyright (c) The Vancouver Sun


Read more: http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Rel...#ixzz13DjA2S5k

Sid Vicious 10-23-2010 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by murd0c (Post 7157215)
at least quote the article

i hope she gets a big settlement

Anjew 10-23-2010 01:55 PM

well, that part that is quoted isnt fact just assumtions.

another quote from the article..
Quote:

"The lawsuit, which contains unproven allegations, is being handled by Vancouver lawyer Cameron Ward.

A B.C. coroner's determined last August that Young's death while in police custody was an accident."
sad for the family indeed, at this point who knows... if there is negligence then i hope that comes to light and the people responsible gets axed.

jasonturbo 10-23-2010 02:49 PM

Doesnt anyone else wonder why he was found unconscious on a side walk?

Let's play the "what if" game for a minute, what if he was never found on the sidewalk at all until the next day, the outcome would have been the same.

When the hospital fails to save someones life who has a heart attack, generally speaking you dont sue the hospital.

The point I am trying to get across is that something caused his health to deteriorate and it wasn't due to being handled by the police or paramedics... Police wouldnt have brought him into custody unless they had a reason to. (Like stinkin of booze while passed out on the side walk)

There is obviously more to this story...

Sid Vicious 10-23-2010 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by jasonturbo (Post 7157270)
Doesnt anyone else wonder why he was found unconscious on a side walk?

Let's play the "what if" game for a minute, what if he was never found on the sidewalk at all until the next day, the outcome would have been the same.

When the hospital fails to save someones life who has a heart attack, generally speaking you dont sue the hospital.

The point I am trying to get across is that something caused his health to deteriorate and it wasn't due to being handled by the police or paramedics... Police wouldnt have brought him into custody unless they had a reason to. (Like stinkin of booze while passed out on the side walk)

There is obviously more to this story...

he passed out inside a police cell. if someone passed out inside your house you ARE liable if you dont get him medical treatment.

just goes to show you what a fine upstanding organization they are.

Disillusion_10 10-23-2010 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jasonturbo (Post 7157270)
Doesnt anyone else wonder why he was found unconscious on a side walk?

Let's play the "what if" game for a minute, what if he was never found on the sidewalk at all until the next day, the outcome would have been the same.

When the hospital fails to save someones life who has a heart attack, generally speaking you dont sue the hospital.

The point I am trying to get across is that something caused his health to deteriorate and it wasn't due to being handled by the police or paramedics... Police wouldnt have brought him into custody unless they had a reason to. (Like stinkin of booze while passed out on the side walk)


There is obviously more to this story...

Hmm although the outcome may have been the same the fact that paramedics found him and were potential negligent is really what is in question

Yes generally people don't sue the hospital if a loved one dies of a heart attack however if there was any indication of negligence I am sure it would be a different story
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jasonturbo 10-23-2010 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Sid Vicious (Post 7157274)
he passed out inside apolice cell. if someone passed out inside your house you ARE liable if you get him medical treatment.

just goes to show you what a fine upstanding organization they are.

"A coroner’s inquest into the death of 54-year-old Maple Ridge man heard he had been drinking at his neighbourhood pub a short while before he was found lying on the side of the road.
A bartender and server from By Bailey’s Pub in Hammond tes- tifi ed Young was a regular cus- tomer who had a preference for bottles of Molson Canadian.
“He was a very mellow man, easy going,” said Natalie Russell, a bartender who Young greeted on his way out of the pub.
Server Kaitlan Allan said Young was already in the pub when she began her shift at 7 p.m. on Oct. 17, 2008. She served him two beers and saw him join friends at a nearby table. Allan said Young appeared “normal”, not intoxicated. “I just remember him being a little quieter than usual.” Allan believed Young left the pub about two hours after she began her shift, around 9 p.m.
He was found around 10 p.m. by a passerby, Adam Tuck, who described him as being “half way on the road and sidewalk.”
Tuck called 911 as he believed Young was hurt. “There was something that was wrong. I wasn’t sure whether he was drunk or hurt,” Tuck told the inquest. He described Young
as limp and said he answered questions after a few seconds de- lay, relaying replies in disjointed sentences.
Tuck recalls Young told him: “Head smacked pavement.” “It was broken sentences.” Tuck told the inquest he saw a wet spot, the size of a toonie, on the back of Young’s head after paramedics sat him on the bum- per of an ambulance.
Young refused treatment at a hospital and was instead trans- ported to a RCMP drunk tank around 10:30 p.m.
He was found unresponsive in the jail cell the next morning and rushed to hospital.
He died two days later on Oct. 19, 2008 after surgery."

He was found passed out/drunk on the sidewalk.

IMO its his fault for getting shitfaced. He was the one who was negligent with his own health, not the police.

terkan 10-23-2010 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sid Vicious (Post 7157216)
i hope she gets a big settlement

You do realize the government really doesn't care if they have to pay, they'll just take it out of your pockets with more taxes and speeding tickets.

Inaii 10-23-2010 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by jasonturbo (Post 7157285)
Young refused treatment at a hospital and was instead trans- ported to a RCMP drunk tank around 10:30 p.m.

If that part is true they won't have anything to stand on. If he refused treatment, the Ambulance and Police can't force care on him.

91LS-VTak 10-23-2010 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jasonturbo (Post 7157285)
"A coroner’s inquest into the death of 54-year-old Maple Ridge man heard he had been drinking at his neighbourhood pub a short while before he was found lying on the side of the road.
A bartender and server from By Bailey’s Pub in Hammond tes- tifi ed Young was a regular cus- tomer who had a preference for bottles of Molson Canadian.
“He was a very mellow man, easy going,” said Natalie Russell, a bartender who Young greeted on his way out of the pub.
Server Kaitlan Allan said Young was already in the pub when she began her shift at 7 p.m. on Oct. 17, 2008. She served him two beers and saw him join friends at a nearby table. Allan said Young appeared “normal”, not intoxicated. “I just remember him being a little quieter than usual.” Allan believed Young left the pub about two hours after she began her shift, around 9 p.m.
He was found around 10 p.m. by a passerby, Adam Tuck, who described him as being “half way on the road and sidewalk.”
Tuck called 911 as he believed Young was hurt. “There was something that was wrong. I wasn’t sure whether he was drunk or hurt,” Tuck told the inquest. He described Young
as limp and said he answered questions after a few seconds de- lay, relaying replies in disjointed sentences.
Tuck recalls Young told him: “Head smacked pavement.” “It was broken sentences.” Tuck told the inquest he saw a wet spot, the size of a toonie, on the back of Young’s head after paramedics sat him on the bum- per of an ambulance.
Young refused treatment at a hospital and was instead trans- ported to a RCMP drunk tank around 10:30 p.m.
He was found unresponsive in the jail cell the next morning and rushed to hospital.
He died two days later on Oct. 19, 2008 after surgery."

He was found passed out/drunk on the sidewalk.

IMO its his fault for getting shitfaced. He was the one who was negligent with his own health, not the police.

Do you read your own quote? Since that's what you're basing your statement on. The bartender said that he didn't appear drunk. How can you then say that he was shitfaced? What are you basing that on? For all we know, he slipped on a plastic bag on the ground, fell down, and struck his head.

zulutango 10-23-2010 04:00 PM

So the paramedics tell the Police that the guy is Ok and the Police take an apparently intoxicated man to cells who has refused to be treated at the hospital. When he is found unresponsive they take him to hospital where he dies a day later? What else should the Police have done?

eFx[A2C] 10-23-2010 04:01 PM

They should have gave him a teddy bear, maybe a bedtime story too.

Sid Vicious 10-23-2010 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zulutango (Post 7157355)
So the paramedics tell the Police that the guy is Ok and the Police take an apparently intoxicated man to cells who has refused to be treated at the hospital. When he is found unresponsive they take him to hospital where he dies a day later? What else should the Police have done?

he was put in the jail cell at 1030, and was found the next morning 6am unresponsive.

so in a 7-8 hour time span, you dont check on the condition of a dude who hit his head on the pavement?

http://www.bclocalnews.com/news/105476313.html

Once inside the drunk tank, the inquest was told police repeatedly violated policy that required officers to rouse inmates, make sure they respond and never assume inmates are “sleeping it off.”

Police dragged Young into the drunk tank on a blanket and never checked on him throughout the night, despite concerns expressed by the jail guard on duty.

jasonturbo 10-23-2010 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 91LS-VTak (Post 7157347)
Do you read your own quote? Since that's what you're basing your statement on. The bartender said that he didn't appear drunk. How can you then say that he was shitfaced? What are you basing that on? For all we know, he slipped on a plastic bag on the ground, fell down, and struck his head.

The bartender and waitress have to adhere to BC's "serving it right" practices, if they served him till he was drunk they would lose their liquor license.

So that is why you dont have the people at the bar sayign he was shitfaced.

You also have the other statement of the man who saw him on the side of the road saying he appeared intoxicated.

The cops didnt take him to jail for being sober and hurt,theytook him to the drunk tank.

Either way, I find it sad how some of you people jump all over the cops, they have to deal with drunk retards all the time. Im glad they put idiots like this in the drunk tank, better there than stuck to the front of my bumper.

donjalapeno 10-23-2010 08:14 PM

wow i read this exacly at 9:15, pretty kewl

Selanne_200 10-23-2010 08:39 PM

At this point, it is irrelevent why they took him into the drunk tank but if the cops are found negligent ie: not checkin on the man, they will most likely lose the case because they would've been the ones that caused his death even if it's not them who causaed the injury
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Anjew 10-24-2010 02:02 AM

cant blame the paramedics and the officer that showed up at the scene, the man refused treatment at the time....

but the jail guards never checked up on him for several hours even tho they knew he had a head injury? thats going to be the interesting part. every minute could have been crucial to his survival.

who knows he could have been unresponsive at 11pm had they checked up on him. but maybe they checked up on him but only noticed he was unconscious at 6am?? we dont have enough info for a precise conclusion at this point


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