It's more as what Campbell hasn't done that has helped the province and what mcguinty tried to do that has screwed the province.

HST is going to kill Gordo, no doubt about it. But the next premier is about picking the best piece of shit from a pile of shit.

you also have to realize we were better off than the other provinces and we have more money from the outside being pumped into the west coast be it federal money or foreign investment (china)

so Campbell even with his fuck ups was able to hide behind all the money we've been getting but to play it off as something he's done? no, sorry.

Blatantly lying in the face of voters and giving us the finger when we've found out is a little too much for me (after looking at the HST closely im actually not against it but its implementation is enough for me to say fuck him)

he's not bad
he's not good either...
mediocre at best - does random shit that I don't agree with. but also does plenty of crap I agree with

PLEASE NO NDP FOR THE LOVE OF GOD
we need an RS party

I'm curious what metric the Fraser Institute is using. Planned defecit reduction? Increase of GDP? Graduation rates from highschools?

The metric is much more important than the results, mostly because it's hidden.

i can care less if he had affairs, shoplifts, scam people on the side but DUI kills innocent lives. He represents the typical bad politician: liars and hypocrites.

I, for one, support Gordo. I can't say that he's perfect in any way, but he's one of the best Premier's in a while. How many of the members here actually remember the NDP fiasco that preceded the Liberals. It's unfortunate that HST has such a bad image in the eye of the public, I think it works well in the long run.

While Sarah Palin scares me more than Carole James does, I'm still scared to think that James might be in office next election. We'll be back to square 1 - that said, maybe we'll have a new set of fast ferries!

Why is Carole James bad? I don't really follow it all, ashamed to say.

How would you have implemented the HST?

Raising taxes is politically difficult, particularly during an election campaign which you seem to imply the Liberals should have campaigned on. No one likes taxes because they translate to an immediate dent on one's pocketbook despite the long-term impacts (positive or negative) they may have.

In fact, you could argue that the lowering of the GST by the federal government indirectly resulted in the HST in our province. The feds are short of revenue, so they bribed Campbell with a $1.5+ billion sweetener to implement a tax that would help with the shortfall in revenues from the lowering of the GST.

yes lying about the existence of an impending tax and passing it under the table and then telling your constituents to go fuck themselves when they show you they don't want it is the perfect way to go about implementing harmonized tax (with only minor taxable services/goods included)...




But i just realized this article stems from the Fraser Institute and that biased think tank has already proven on numerous occasions in the past that they're untrustworthy

if the alternative to shit is even deeper shit then maybe just being plain shitty isnt so shitty anymore?

We wont get fast ferries next time. There wont be any money left after every union gets a 200% raise at their next contract talks, min wage jumps to $15/hour, and all other social services get triple funding. The best part is, they will do all this, AND somehow lower taxes.

No highway will be built, no cancer ward will be built, no forward thinking infrastructure will be considered.

If I can't trust him to make the right decisions behind the wheel of a car, how can I trust him to make the right decisions behind the wheel of the province?

I don't subscribe to this - I pointed out, if previous politicians were held to this standard we would've missed out on some of the most memorable politicians in history.

Politicians represent us, and should reflect us. If we elect elitist politicians, we get elitist values and misdirected spending.

I have to asked what happens to the revenue the HST will accumulate over the year? Will be return to us if the HST gets vote out or what exactly happens to that money?

We need some one completely new to run this province because choice 1 and 2 both suck ass. We need change and a new direction than just lying to the people (libs) and ruining/controlling/monolopy (ndp) certain important infrastructures (mining, health care, carbon tax, HST, ICBC, Translink, etc.)
Will it ever happen, probably not, we need an RS party.

No need to worry it will never get the votes necessary. People will be content with it in another a year, even now it doesn't have enough steam. For the record no it won't be returned, they've already said it would cost to much money and time to go through every transaction.

Defend that with real numbers. How much federal money has BC received? How much money does China pump into BC? Is it more than the US pumps into Ontario?

Ontario taxed the hell out of business and it left for other provinces and countries. BC has thankfully not done the same.

Will you return the HST cheque you received?
Will you request low income BCers return their HST cheques?
Will you pay a one-time income tax charge to make up for the $1.6B federal money that has to be returned?

Answer to all your questions, and mine is: no - except the last question. If the HST is repealed the change will be going forward - plus we'll owe the feds $1.6B.

Did he lie about his DUI? Did he apologize for it? Has he gotten one since? Has he increased awareness of DUI and laws accordingly?

Seems to me you're just whining, cause you'll never accept that a man can atone for his mistakes.

We elect politicians to make choices for us, we don't expect them to consult with us on every decision. BC was offered a great deal by the feds, $1.6B and reduced tax processing overhead while supporting local business. Few people are upset about the actual HST, they are upset they didn't get to have their voice heard - which is not the way it works.

So if you've ever been wrong once, you're always wrong from now on. I guess you're wrong now too :p

The NDP is bad, not Carole James. I think she's a decent politician, just for a party I'd never vote for.

The NDP are a tax and spend party, and a socialist party that believes in more government.

NDP are trolls

when Carole James smiles she looks like this :troll:

no joke

I actually had the woman come by my Canadian politics class... and she just seemed so insincere and slimy.

I like my politicians to at least be faux-sincere and non-slimy.

way too much work to show numbers -_-

china isnt our only foreign investor though the usa does too etc

Ontarios Manufacturing industry has been dead and declining for ages it doesn't have that much to do with taxing businesses... its a fact that's prevalent in all manufacturing industries in North America everyone's been moving abroad and the Automotive industry... jesus that's Ontarios bread & butter and we all know what happened there and its not because of Ontarios taxes.

here's some numbers it doesn't cover it all nor in detail nor does it pinpoint the sources of cash but whatever :P http://www.bcbudget.gov.bc.ca/2008/s...lt.aspx?hash=4
http://www.bcbc.com/Documents/2020_2...alLinkages.pdf


and the Fraser Institute didn't just get some things wrong they mislead

and you may elect your leaders to go off and make all decisions on their own behind closed doors but Canadians don't agree with that bs

Yes i know this is way old, but it is still something that he did. Im not saying he is the worst but he still isn't the best. And I do hate to say it but he is the best right now to be running our province. Just hating on him still over the new laws that have come into effect

he's done a good job but needs to step down now