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If you look at the bigger picture, humans are still extremely primitive. On a scale of 1 to 10, if 1 was caveman and 10 was everything we could probably amount to....we're probably a 2 at this point in time.
Anyone who thinks we are the pinnacle of intelligent lifeforms is kidding themselves. Right now, we can barely get over the fact we all have different skin colours... or have the unity to not send out scam donation emails during world disasters...
And look at the time it takes for us to think a thought, to actually communicating it through text, or speech, or how we can barely control the simplest lifeforms, like bacteria, or even fruit flies lol. Our main weaponry, firearms, since being invented like 700 or 800 years ago, really hasn't changed that much yet; from medieval cannon, to lead ball musket to a magazine fed assault rifle; it still relies on the same basic principles. We have a long way to go.
Modern looking humans appeared about 200,000 years ago. This whole time, 200,000 years, we've been learning, building, inventing stuff, we've progressed to where we are today. So I wonder what we'll be like in another 200,000 years from now...maybe then we can call ourselves a supreme lifeform.
i think we're missing the point here. lets say, hypothetically, there is a more advanced species in existence somewhere in the universe as we speak. don't you think, at some point in time, they wondered if there were species that were greater than themselves? or do you think they automatically knew they were the most advanced in the universe? basically, what im trying to say is (ego aside), we could be that species in its early stages. but most people, like yourself, automatically rule it out based on variables like the universe's size and age.
like you say, in 200k years, we could be advanced enough to travel to different planets, and be the ones to discover "primitive" life forms with their own civilizations, wars, politics, etc.
i think we're missing the point here. lets say, hypothetically, there is a more advanced species in existence somewhere in the universe as we speak. don't you think, at some point in time, they wondered if there were species that were greater than themselves? or do you think they automatically knew they were the most advanced in the universe? basically, what im trying to say is (ego aside), we could be that species in its early stages. but most people, like yourself, automatically rule it out based on variables like the universe's size and age.
like you say, in 200k years, we could be advanced enough to travel to different planets, and be the ones to discover "primitive" life forms with their own civilizations, wars, politics, etc.
You're bang on, there's no evidence either way yet. We might find out one day, but until then all we have is fantasies.
For all we know, we're the LAST place left with life. In the future, we may be exploring dead worlds.
I find it amusing how people make assumptions just as wild as those they are opposing, or make up things about theoretical other advanced civilizations (for example being peaceful or wanting our resources, etc).
i think we're missing the point here. lets say, hypothetically, there is a more advanced species in existence somewhere in the universe as we speak. don't you think, at some point in time, they wondered if there were species that were greater than themselves? or do you think they automatically knew they were the most advanced in the universe? basically, what im trying to say is (ego aside), we could be that species in its early stages. but most people, like yourself, automatically rule it out based on variables like the universe's size and age.
like you say, in 200k years, we could be advanced enough to travel to different planets, and be the ones to discover "primitive" life forms with their own civilizations, wars, politics, etc.
If you were that advanced to travel from galaxy to galaxy, why would you be concerned with primitive species?
An advanced species flying past earth is like a human being walking past an ant hill. Would the human try to communicate with the ants? No. Same with them, we're too inferior to waste their time.
If you were that advanced to travel from galaxy to galaxy, why would you be concerned with primitive species?
An advanced species flying past earth is like a human being walking past an ant hill. Would the human try to communicate with the ants? No. Same with them, we're too inferior to waste their time.
More assumptions with no data.
Regarding the ant scenario though... Humans fuck with everything we walk by. If it were a new species of ant, you bet we'd be all over it. Hell, we fuck with ants we already know. We put them between glass and call it an ant farm. We stick that shit in our kids bedrooms. We're so curious about other forms of life that we have scientists looking for microscopic life in the mud at the bottom of a toxic lake.
If you were that advanced to travel from galaxy to galaxy, why would you be concerned with primitive species?
An advanced species flying past earth is like a human being walking past an ant hill. Would the human try to communicate with the ants? No. Same with them, we're too inferior to waste their time.
How does that make any sense?
1. Do you know how much work scientists have put in just to study how animals on EARTH communicate with one another?
2. So you're saying that if we were ever able to travel long distances in space with ease, and we spotted another civilization that were able to build buildings, take over almost every resource on the planet, develop nuclear weapons, etc., you would not bother to communicate with it because they're too primitive?
1. Do you know how much work scientists have put in just to study how animals on EARTH communicate with one another?
2. So you're saying that if we were ever able to travel long distances in space with ease, and we spotted another civilization that were able to build buildings, take over almost every resource on the planet, develop nuclear weapons, etc., you would not bother to communicate with it because they're too primitive?
It doesn't make sense because you don't understand the analogy. A normal human being walking by an ant hill would not care about those ants, most likely walking right by the ant hill with no care at all.
An alien race that is advanced enough to travel from galaxy to galaxy would be so advanced they wouldn't care about a primitive species like ours. If they are able to travel to our solar system from another galaxy they have most likely explored their entire galaxy already and humans would be nothing unique or new to them.
It's speculation of course with no facts to base on. I didn't think of this myself, I heard it from one of Dr. Kaku's interviews. He's quite a famous scientist, a lot of his videos are on youtube discussing civilizations and aliens. Look him up if you're interested.
It doesn't make sense because you don't understand the analogy. A normal human being walking by an ant hill would not care about those ants, most likely walking right by the ant hill with no care at all.
An alien race that is advanced enough to travel from galaxy to galaxy would be so advanced they wouldn't care about a primitive species like ours. If they are able to travel to our solar system from another galaxy they have most likely explored their entire galaxy already and humans would be nothing unique or new to them.
It's speculation of course with no facts to base on. I didn't think of this myself, I heard it from one of Dr. Kaku's interviews. He's quite a famous scientist, a lot of his videos are on youtube discussing civilizations and aliens. Look him up if you're interested.
A "normal human being" as in a person like you and I, walking to work / school, would not care at all about ants. But a human being that is out in unchartered areas of the world would definitely be interested in the distinct lifeforms found there.
Translated to intergalactic travel: a "normal alien being" whizzing by in his spacecraft, won't stop to look at us only if it already knows what we are and their scientists have already studied us.
Your analogy only make sense if we and our Earth have already been studied and are identical to another planet somewhere else.
A "normal human being" as in a person like you and I, walking to work / school, would not care at all about ants. But a human being that is out in unchartered areas of the world would definitely be interested in the distinct lifeforms found there.
Translated to intergalactic travel: a "normal alien being" whizzing by in his spacecraft, won't stop to look at us because it already knows what we are and their scientists have already studied us.
Your analogy only make sense if we and our Earth have already been studied and are identical to another planet somewhere else.
That is exactly what I am implying. If an alien species is capable of traveling here from another galaxy they have most likely seen a planet like ours in their own galaxy and we would be nothing unique or interesting to them. The analogy does have flaws but the point of it is that most alien species would not bother communicating with humans.
wow.. based on planetary and universe staristics how can you NOT believe in extraterrestial life?...
I'm not denying God or anything but hey there must be something else out there
how much more evidence do you need? abductions, speculations, area51, UFO hunters lol? I mean do you really think any goverment will actually admit to anything? Think what would happen to your/mine/anyones religion? Chaos!
Anyways, I used to live on the south east coast of USA and I knew this dude that was "supposely" abducted by "àliens". At some point "unknown" object was pulled out of his back by local surgeon. THAT object was emmiting some sort of radio waves...im not shitting you this is crazy real stuff. Believe what you want; Aliens/ETs do exist. oh btw this guy was a local baker; best jewish bread in Miami yumm hehehe...
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with regards to aliens and non-planetary extra-terrestrial biological existence, here's an interesting take: ancient alien/astronaut theory. it talks about other "beings" visiting earth in antiquity and challenges modern day knowledge on how earth's civilizations began and why people of 5000 years ago all suddenly had the urge to build these huge megalithic structures.
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