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So I watched the Epic history of Stark with the theory of Jon Snow being Roberts son and it made complete sense at the time. But, I just started watching season one again with my gf and this scene kind of refutes that theory...
Season one, episode two (19:50 into the episode), when Jon snow is heading to the wall he talks to Ned about his mother. Ned tells Jon, 'you may not have my name, but you have my blood'. Why would he say that to Jon if the above theory was true, especially if Ned is so honorable and doesn't lie?
I would see no reason for Ned to even say that. But, I was just wondering if in the book if Ned says the same thing? As I know things can get lost in translation when they go from the book to TV shows.
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Originally Posted by PeanutButter
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So I watched the Epic history of Stark with the theory of Jon Snow being Roberts son and it made complete sense at the time. But, I just started watching season one again with my gf and this scene kind of refutes that theory...
Season one, episode two (19:50 into the episode), when Jon snow is heading to the wall he talks to Ned about his mother. Ned tells Jon, 'you may not have my name, but you have my blood'. Why would he say that to Jon if the above theory was true, especially if Ned is so honorable and doesn't lie?
I would see no reason for Ned to even say that. But, I was just wondering if in the book if Ned says the same thing? As I know things can get lost in translation when they go from the book to TV shows.
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i thought the theory was that he is ned starks sisters kid and the father is that blonde guy that talks to dragons? so of course he has ned starks blood (cuz of his sister) cmiiw
So I watched the Epic history of Stark with the theory of Jon Snow being Roberts son and it made complete sense at the time. But, I just started watching season one again with my gf and this scene kind of refutes that theory...
Season one, episode two (19:50 into the episode), when Jon snow is heading to the wall he talks to Ned about his mother. Ned tells Jon, 'you may not have my name, but you have my blood'. Why would he say that to Jon if the above theory was true, especially if Ned is so honorable and doesn't lie?
I would see no reason for Ned to even say that. But, I was just wondering if in the book if Ned says the same thing? As I know things can get lost in translation when they go from the book to TV shows.
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The theory discussed isn't that he's Robert's bastard son, it's that he is Rhaegar's bastard son, with Ned's sister Lyanna. He would have Ned's blood since he's a Stark.
If true, Jon Snow has the blood of the First Men in him, and the blood of the dragon... this makes him pretty much the biggest badass in the world
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- So it's not really a spoiler because it isn't confirmed.
Honestly, it didn't really spoil anything for me. Though, if the theory was right, it would be a spoiler for the upcoming seasons on TV. But, it's not a huge spoiler in my opinion. Nothing like the Red Wedding or anything.
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They are all Jon Snow theory so I'm not sure why they are spoilered in the first place
True, it's just a theory, but I wasn't sure if it should be spoilered or not
The Real Iron Throne (according to George R.R. Martin)
If you want to see how the author truly envisioned the Iron Throne to look like, click the spoiler button within the article. I recommend reading Martin's post before clicking the spoiler.
Aside from a passing reference to a character that hasn't yet appeared in the TV show, I'd say Martin's post is a safe read for those who haven't read the books.
The following was written by George R.R. Martin himself.
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Jul. 8th, 2013 at 11:37 PM
The Real Iron Throne
Yes, I know, that title is a bit of an oxymoron.
There is no real Iron Throne. It doesn't exist. I made it up. I said it was made of melted swords, but really, it was made of words, like all such fictional constructs.
Ah, but it's real to me. That's part of what it means to be a writer. If you don't know what I'm getting at there, go read my old short story, "Portraits of His Children." When I write about the Iron Throne, I SEE it in my head... and I try to describe it as best I can. Not being a blacksmith or an ironmonger, however, I hammer it together with words, striving to make all of you, my readers, see what I see.
Most of the time that works... though, as the recent brouhaha about the Red Viper shows, the picture in the reader's head and the picture in the writer's head do not always line up perfectly. With the Iron Throne, however, the process has been particularly frustrating. A dozen different artists have done versions of the Iron Throne over the years. Some have been very striking, some less so, but none of them have ever been quite RIGHT. Their versions never quite matched what I saw in my mind's eye.
Then came the show, and HBO's version of the Iron Throne.
I'm a realist about these things, and I know perfectly well that for millions of television viewers worldwide, the HBO Iron Throne is THE Iron Throne, and always will be. It turns up everywhere, on book covers, on magazines, in places that have no connection to the show. Say "GAME OF THRONES," and people think of the HBO Iron Throne.
And, hell, in some ways the HBO throne is more real than mine could ever be. They've actually MADE theirs (though it is not actually made of iron). There's the one that sits on the set in Belfast's Paint Hall, and at least six others that travel about the country making promotional appearances at conventions, screenings, exhibits, and the like. They turn up in train stations and parks. Thousands of people have had their pictures taken sitting on the Iron Throne, including many celebrities. And me as well, many times. Over in the UK, Sky Atlantic has their own Iron Throne, that also travels about to help promote the show. Canal + has one too, in Spain. The Spanish and British thrones are variants, somewhat different from the HBO throne, yet similar in most important respects. I've been seated on both of those at well.
The HBO throne has become iconic. And well it might. It's a terrific design, and it has served the show very well. There are replicas and paperweights of it in three different sizes. Everyone knows it. I love it. I have all those replicas right here, sitting on my shelves.
And yet, and yet... it's still not right. It's not the Iron Throne I see when I'm working on THE WINDS OF WINTER. It's not the Iron Throne I want my readers to see. The way the throne is described in the books... HUGE, hulking, black and twisted, with the steep iron stairs in front, the high seat from which the king looks DOWN on everyone in the court... my throne is a hunched beast looming over the throne room, ugly and assymetric...
The HBO throne is none of those things. It's big, yes, but not nearly as big as the one described in the novels. And for good reason. We have a huge throne room set in Belfast, but not nearly huge enough to hold the Iron Throne as I painted it. For that we'd need something much bigger, more like the interior of St. Paul's Cathedral or Westminster Abbey, and no set has that much room. The Book Version of the Iron Throne would not even fit through the doors of the Paint Hall.
So what does the Real Iron Throne look like, you ask? Glad you asked. It looks kind of like this:
Spoiler!
That's the Iron Throne as painted by the amazing Marc Simonetti (and if you haven't gotten his 2013 Ice & Fire calendar, better hurry, the year's half over) for the upcoming concordance, THE WORLD OF ICE & FIRE. It's a rough, not a final version, so what you see in the book will be more polished. But Marc has come closer here to capturing the Iron Throne as I picture it than any other artist to tackle it. From now on, THIS will be the reference I give to every other artist tackling a throne room scene. This Iron Throne is massive. Ugly. Assymetric. It's a throne made by blacksmiths hammering together half-melted, broken, twisted swords, wrenched from the hands of dead men or yielded up by defeated foes... a symbol of conquest... it has the steps I describe, and the height. From on top, the king dominates the throne room. And there are thousands of swords in it, not just a few.
This Iron Throne is scary. And not at all a comfortable seat, just as Aegon intended.
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