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striderblade · 12-20-2010, 04:40 PM

With the upcoming steam holiday sales. My ass gonna get capped.

Zap · 12-20-2010, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Great68

Nothing in this post explains why metered bandwidth is not a good idea, you just made a big rant about Shaw playing monopoly.

As streaming video becomes better quality, consumers average bandwidth consumption will go up, purchasing games via downloads over hard disk copy's will become the norm. Youtube will switch to full HD video for all of it's content, Interactive Blu-ray discs will evolve downloading content the producers servers, renting Blu-ray via downloads will become the norm. Progression of technology is hindered by metered billing, No company will have a chance when the consumers in Canada have their bandwidth pipe choke off by it's ISP to save it's own Video on Demand service or television service. Shaw is reading it's self for the growth of online media with metered billing, to acquire every damn cent it can from it's subscribers.

Really think about it for a bit, I myself could be downloading a video to my Iphone, while doing streaming video phone calls, sending texts, between posting this comment on this forum.........Technology evolves, what's next 2 years from now?

Great68 · 12-20-2010, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Zap

Really think about it for a bit, I myself could be downloading a video to my Iphone, while doing streaming video phone calls, sending texts, between posting this comment on this forum.........Technology evolves, what's next 2 years from now?

200 years ago, all people used electricity for was lighting their homes...

Zap · 12-20-2010, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Great68

200 years ago, all people used electricity for was lighting their homes...

Well the incandescent bulb was around 1910 or so, so I think your a few years off.

Mr.HappySilp · 12-20-2010, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Great68

Nothing in this post explains why metered bandwidth is not a good idea, you just made a big rant about Shaw playing monopoly.

I don't use netflix (Nor do I ever plan to, I didn't buy a 52" 1080P TV to watch compressed downloaded shit that I have pay for) or play Wow, why should I have to pay the same amount for my usage as someone who DOES use those services?

I'm don't have the anti-piracy hard-on that Dangonay does, but my bill would still go down significantly if I only had to pay for the bandwidth I used.
And if I did decide to use netflix or play Wow in the future, I would be fine with my bill going up because I'm using a service, it takes more bandwidth, and I know that.

Right now a good analogy to your complaint is like you're plugging in a couple of electric space heaters and then complaining to BC Hydro that your power bill went up.

Then let me ask you this" Why do SHAW LOWERED everyone bandwidth by a good 25GB and then start the meter billing? Care to explain that in details. They could simply just start billing people for oeverueage but NOOOOOOOOO they have to go lower your monthly bandwidth first.

Not to mention SHAW's uesage page is full of carp and inaccurate that even the SHAW rep themselves tell customer to ingore. When I look at my own uesage report there are days when it saids I used over 100GB in a day and sometimes it shows I 0 uesage for a few days when I fully know that is not true.

So how cna SHAW bill us for something this inaccurate? Not to mention SHAW's ONLY option for going over your monthly is to bill you, how come I can't say chose to have my speed lowered and any overueagfe is free, at least that's what NOVUS is doing. They allow customer to chose to decide if they want to buy more uesage or simply reduce their speed. What can't SHAW do something like that? I can tell you why, coz they want to take as much money from you as they can.

MikeyStyle · 12-20-2010, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by woob

Fuck. I'm on Extreme and I (just me, not including the rest of my family) have used 245.3GB in the past 31 days....

EDIT: found a large discussion thread on this topic at dslreports - http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r249...xtra-bandwidth.

for the last month, i had a total of 465 gb and i was using extreme as well

i know how you feel.. i've already voiced my opinion in this matter and a lot of people have as well. whether or not if things change.. i'm not pleased with the company's decision

Great68 · 12-20-2010, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Zap

Well the incandescent bulb was around 1910 or so, so I think your a few years off.

"In 1835, James Bowman Lindsay demonstrated a constant electric light at a public meeting in Dundee, Scotland. He stated that he could "read a book at a distance of one and a half feet". However, having perfected the device to his own satisfaction, he turned to the problem of wireless telegraphy and did not develop the electric light any further. His claims are not well documented, although he is credited in Challoner etal.[10] with being the inventor of the "Incandescent Light Bulb".

OHHH OK 175 years... That changes my post ENTIRELY!

dangonay · 12-20-2010, 06:38 PM

I play WOW and 4GB patches are rare (couple times per year). All other WOW patches are usually under 1GB. Steam - only the original game is a large download - like all software, patches are only incremental and small. You're going to have to some up with some better examples than these to justify your high usage.

Two years ago RS had this same discussion. Even back then (before Netflix and when Youtube was used to watch funny short clips instead of HD content) people here were still downloaing 200GB a month and bitching about Shaw/Telus sending them warnings. Back then all the thieves just used different excuses than what's being mentioned in this thread. Same shit, different pile. Once a crook, always a crook.

Why would any of you pay for Netflix anyway? They have a much poorer selection than what you can get off a torrent, and with a torrent you get to keep the movie/TV show on your drive instead of having to stream it every time you want to watch it.

Internet data is cheap in Canada. Not as cheap as some other countries, but it's pointless to complain about what other countries have that we don't. So what if Japan has 60Mbit service for dirt cheap. Sure their internet is cheap, and you you'll need it to download stuff to keep you entertained while you sit cramped in your 400 sq ft apartment in Tokyo that you can barely afford.

Seriously, when will all you sheltered people grow up? I'll break the news to you now: There will never be a place to live anywhere in the world that has the scenery of Vancouver, internet service of Japan, dirt cheap gas like Venezuela, great highways like Germany, freedom & democracy and affordable housing. So stop whining about what so-and-so has. You sound like little kids complaining that Timmy has a nicer bike than you do while missing the fact that your parents own a nice house and Timmy lives in an apartment his mother can barely afford.

For Shaw users, just add a data plan. $50 per month for 250GB, or $0.20 per GB. Cheap in my books.

dangonay · 12-20-2010, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by woob

Nice try, MPAA.

Nice try, crook.

You just admitted to downloading 245GB in one month. Using Netflix HD content as an example, that's about 145 hours of content. A full time job is 160 hours per month. So you spend as much time in front of the TV as a full time job?

There's no way you can possibly watch the amount of content you're downloading and lead a normal life. You are just like most people who download and torrent - you're a hoarder. Instead of filling your house with junk, you fill your hard drives with thousands of albums, most of which you will never listen to. You download entire seasons of popular TV shows just so you can say you have them. You actually download content at a rate far higher than you could possibly ever watch/listen to. And then have the nerve to bitch about possibly getting charged for the extra bandwidth you're using to keep up your hoarder lifestyle. You are nothing more than a digital pack rat.

ninjai123 · 12-20-2010, 07:05 PM

^ LOL he said his whole family but who knows lol...

Mr.HappySilp · 12-20-2010, 07:29 PM

you still haven't answer my question yet dangonay why SHAW all of a sudden decrease everyone package bandwidth by 25GB (expect lite) and the right away charge people who went over their bandwidth. Is it really what they claim to be or is it a cash grab for them? O and also how come SHAW ONLY have the option to buy more bandwidth? How come they don't allow user to reduce their speed for the month if they do go over their montly limit? NOVUS can do it so why can't SHAW? Is SHAW's system that crappy and the useless?

As far as I know Bandwidth cost SHAW no more than 5cents a GB from their upstream provider. I work in the industry so I know exactly those prices are. If I have my guess right you do work for SHAW don't you?

A 2hour HD movie on Netflix is about 4 to 6GB so with SHAW's limit that's about 16 to 25movies. Now combie that with say youtube HD, some BT and some PBS you can easily reach their cap.

Even my mom who knows nothing about Internet uses PBS to watch her TV shows. Is fast easy and she gets the newest stuff right away VS waiting for 1+ year for SHAW/ Fairchild to put the show on. Not to mention she can watch it anytime she likes and she can go and watch old TV shows as well.

O and answer my question this time with a really answer that makes sense instead of going around in circles and avoiding it.

Carl Johnson · 12-20-2010, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by dangonay

I play WOW and 4GB patches are rare (couple times per year). All other WOW patches are usually under 1GB. Steam - only the original game is a large download - like all software, patches are only incremental and small. You're going to have to some up with some better examples than these to justify your high usage.

Two years ago RS had this same discussion. Even back then (before Netflix and when Youtube was used to watch funny short clips instead of HD content) people here were still downloaing 200GB a month and bitching about Shaw/Telus sending them warnings. Back then all the thieves just used different excuses than what's being mentioned in this thread. Same shit, different pile. Once a crook, always a crook.

Why would any of you pay for Netflix anyway? They have a much poorer selection than what you can get off a torrent, and with a torrent you get to keep the movie/TV show on your drive instead of having to stream it every time you want to watch it.

Internet data is cheap in Canada. Not as cheap as some other countries, but it's pointless to complain about what other countries have that we don't. So what if Japan has 60Mbit service for dirt cheap. Sure their internet is cheap, and you you'll need it to download stuff to keep you entertained while you sit cramped in your 400 sq ft apartment in Tokyo that you can barely afford.

Seriously, when will all you sheltered people grow up? I'll break the news to you now: There will never be a place to live anywhere in the world that has the scenery of Vancouver, internet service of Japan, dirt cheap gas like Venezuela, great highways like Germany, freedom & democracy and affordable housing. So stop whining about what so-and-so has. You sound like little kids complaining that Timmy has a nicer bike than you do while missing the fact that your parents own a nice house and Timmy lives in an apartment his mother can barely afford.

For Shaw users, just add a data plan. $50 per month for 250GB, or $0.20 per GB. Cheap in my books.

You are the exact reason why corporation like Shaw are able to pull off shady stunts like this. To Reduce services while charging us the same price as before. You mentioned internet service is cheap here in Canada, what are you comparing it to? Well I certainly hope you are not comparing to U.S., Brazil, or other European Countries like Denmark, Sweden, or Finland.

And I don't mean to bust your bubble about your view on Vancouver. In the next 10 - 15 years, Canada will not have a seat at the G8. We would be luck to even have a seat at the G20 going by our current growth prospect. Let's face it, the next big thing certainly will not happen here. Not when you have company like Shaw rolling backward with the whole internet revolution that is happening around the world. So I hope you do enjoy your view and your freedom.

By the way, Vancouver's housing market and affordability should not be in the same sentence both on an absolute and relative basis. It's not as expansive as some real estates in Asia but it would be crazy to call it "cheap". So is the gasoline we pay at the pump.

EmOne · 12-20-2010, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by dangonay

I play WOW and 4GB patches are rare (couple times per year). All other WOW patches are usually under 1GB. Steam - only the original game is a large download - like all software, patches are only incremental and small. You're going to have to some up with some better examples than these to justify your high usage.

Two years ago RS had this same discussion. Even back then (before Netflix and when Youtube was used to watch funny short clips instead of HD content) people here were still downloaing 200GB a month and bitching about Shaw/Telus sending them warnings. Back then all the thieves just used different excuses than what's being mentioned in this thread. Same shit, different pile. Once a crook, always a crook.

Why would any of you pay for Netflix anyway? They have a much poorer selection than what you can get off a torrent, and with a torrent you get to keep the movie/TV show on your drive instead of having to stream it every time you want to watch it.

Internet data is cheap in Canada. Not as cheap as some other countries, but it's pointless to complain about what other countries have that we don't. So what if Japan has 60Mbit service for dirt cheap. Sure their internet is cheap, and you you'll need it to download stuff to keep you entertained while you sit cramped in your 400 sq ft apartment in Tokyo that you can barely afford.

Seriously, when will all you sheltered people grow up? I'll break the news to you now: There will never be a place to live anywhere in the world that has the scenery of Vancouver, internet service of Japan, dirt cheap gas like Venezuela, great highways like Germany, freedom & democracy and affordable housing. So stop whining about what so-and-so has. You sound like little kids complaining that Timmy has a nicer bike than you do while missing the fact that your parents own a nice house and Timmy lives in an apartment his mother can barely afford.

For Shaw users, just add a data plan. $50 per month for 250GB, or $0.20 per GB. Cheap in my books.

yeah yeah yeah, get off your high horse

I am still going to pirate shit. Try and stop me

ddr · 12-20-2010, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by dangonay

Nice try, crook.

You just admitted to downloading 245GB in one month. Using Netflix HD content as an example, that's about 145 hours of content. A full time job is 160 hours per month. So you spend as much time in front of the TV as a full time job?

There's no way you can possibly watch the amount of content you're downloading and lead a normal life. You are just like most people who download and torrent - you're a hoarder.

that's quite an assumption.

so what if someone chooses to leave their TV or browser on all day and stream stuff just because they can? my friend's brother streams kids stuff all day for his child, his wife watches her cooking stuff, and when he's home he streams his own stuff. it's a bigger deal when you consider the fact that more than one person lives in most houses. that bandwidth cap must be a bitch for a house with 2-3 teenagers lol. i guess they should charge monthly based on MAC and IP addresses then?

Mr.HappySilp · 12-21-2010, 01:57 AM

lol It will be funny if SHAW start charging TV base on how many hours you get with your cable package. Anything abouve that you will have pay for each hour.

Zap · 12-21-2010, 04:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Great68

"In 1835, James Bowman Lindsay demonstrated a constant electric light at a public meeting in Dundee, Scotland. He stated that he could "read a book at a distance of one and a half feet". However, having perfected the device to his own satisfaction, he turned to the problem of wireless telegraphy and did not develop the electric light any further. His claims are not well documented, although he is credited in Challoner etal.[10] with being the inventor of the "Incandescent Light Bulb".

OHHH OK 175 years... That changes my post ENTIRELY!

first Invented vs common use, are 2 separate things, investigate further and you will see that the Incandescent light bulb that is most commonly used, still today, (lasted more than a few secs or 1.5 hours) to light "every ones household with electricity" was invented 1910.

dangonay · 12-21-2010, 04:55 AM

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Originally Posted by EmOne

yeah yeah yeah, get off your high horse

I am still going to pirate shit. Try and stop me

Why would I waste my time trying to stop you? I'll simply wait until someone steals your car (or something else from you) and laugh at Karma. You think it's morally OK to pirate because it's not physical property. Some thieves think it's OK to steal from people who have more than they do. Morally they are no different than you - they have their own reasons to justify what they do.

dangonay · 12-21-2010, 04:59 AM

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Originally Posted by ddr

that's quite an assumption.

so what if someone chooses to leave their TV or browser on all day and stream stuff just because they can? my friend's brother streams kids stuff all day for his child, his wife watches her cooking stuff, and when he's home he streams his own stuff. it's a bigger deal when you consider the fact that more than one person lives in most houses. that bandwidth cap must be a bitch for a house with 2-3 teenagers lol. i guess they should charge monthly based on MAC and IP addresses then?

Why not leave your lights on all day even if nobody is home? Internet bandwidth isn't free, so why treat it like it is?

woob (crook) already said he personally (not including his family) used 245GB in a month. So nice try brining his entire family into this.

Streams stuff to his kids all day? Nice parenting skills there - put kids in front of TV/computer/video game to keep them occupied.

dangonay · 12-21-2010, 05:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr.HappySilp

you still haven't answer my question yet dangonay why SHAW all of a sudden decrease everyone package bandwidth by 25GB (expect lite) and the right away charge people who went over their bandwidth. Is it really what they claim to be or is it a cash grab for them? O and also how come SHAW ONLY have the option to buy more bandwidth? How come they don't allow user to reduce their speed for the month if they do go over their montly limit? NOVUS can do it so why can't SHAW? Is SHAW's system that crappy and the useless?

As far as I know Bandwidth cost SHAW no more than 5cents a GB from their upstream provider. I work in the industry so I know exactly those prices are. If I have my guess right you do work for SHAW don't you?

A 2hour HD movie on Netflix is about 4 to 6GB so with SHAW's limit that's about 16 to 25movies. Now combie that with say youtube HD, some BT and some PBS you can easily reach their cap.

Even my mom who knows nothing about Internet uses PBS to watch her TV shows. Is fast easy and she gets the newest stuff right away VS waiting for 1+ year for SHAW/ Fairchild to put the show on. Not to mention she can watch it anytime she likes and she can go and watch old TV shows as well.

O and answer my question this time with a really answer that makes sense instead of going around in circles and avoiding it.

They didn't charge people right away - you will get warnings for two months beforehand. Besides, if you don't like SHAW then switch to Telus. Vote with your wallet as everyone says.

I don't work for SHAW. And I don't know where you got your numbers as my calculations show 1.6-1.7GB per hour or about 3.4GB per 2 hour movie. Regardless, if you stream that much content then add a data plan.

I don't know why SHAW changed their pricing. I'd bet it's because of the rampant dowloading and this is a way to charge the people who are abusing the service. Unfortunately, the rest of us suffer.

Why are you getting pissed at SHAW, BTW? Why aren't you pissed at the dowloading crooks who are most likely the cause of all this in the first place?

Great68 · 12-21-2010, 05:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Zap

first Invented vs common use, are 2 separate things, investigate further and you will see that the Incandescent light bulb that is most commonly used, still today, (lasted more than a few secs or 1.5 hours) to light "every ones household with electricity" was invented 1910.

That absolutely changes the gist of my post ENTIRELY.

604nguyen · 12-21-2010, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr.HappySilp

lol It will be funny if SHAW start charging TV base on how many hours you get with your cable package. Anything abouve that you will have pay for each hour.

i dont think it'd be a laughing matter if shaw starts charging TV by the hour

lol

604nguyen · 12-21-2010, 09:03 AM

Vinny G · 12-21-2010, 09:25 AM

I bet most people with huge bandiwdth usage are idiots trying to get a 1.0 share ratio on some shitty private torrent site.

At least be a smart pirate. There are at least 2 upload type sites that give you >1mb/s download speeds (for free) and you don't have to waste bandwidth uploading anything. I don't know how people use 250gb/month. I download whatever I want and stream tons of stuff and don't come close. 250gb is like 35 Xbox360 ISOs or 35 high bit rate 720p blu-ray rips.

Still think the limit should've been set at around 150gb though.

Ikkaku · 12-21-2010, 10:07 AM

The reality and issue is that they're lowering the usage cap yet charging the exact same price. We could talk about metered usage, yet that is not what they're bothering to do. This is similar to when Fido changed their cityfido policy from unlimited usage to 2500 minutes. Won't affect your average consumers, yet there is still a large population that will get hit, but it may not be significant enough for them to care.

I do not see them caring, not even if most of the 'hardcore' users switch to telus, because they will still have the support of the 'light' users, who are people who merely use the internet for information and communication.

With that said, I am quite displeased that they will start capping at 60gb for normal highspeed. I predict university networks will be more congested from more people downloading while on campus. Time to start looking for unsecure networks around me.

Ch28 · 12-21-2010, 10:08 AM

FCC just passed limited net neutrality rules

http://www.engadget.com/2010/12/21/f...one-happy-abo/

http://www.npr.org/2010/12/21/132233...1&f=1014&sc=tw

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A divided Federal Communications Commission has approved new rules meant to prohibit broadband companies from interfering with Internet traffic flowing to their customers.

The 3-2 vote Tuesday marks a major victory for FCC Chairman Julius Genachowski, who has spent more than a year trying to craft a compromise.

The FCC's three Democrats voted to pass the rules, while the two Republicans opposed them, calling them unnecessary regulation. The new rules are likely to face intense scrutiny on Capitol Hill once Republicans take over the House. Meanwhile, public interest groups decried the regulations as too weak, particularly for wireless systems.

Known as "net neutrality," the rules prohibit phone and cable companies from favoring or discriminating against Internet content and services, such as those from rivals.

The rules require broadband providers to let subscribers access all legal online content, applications and services over their wired networks - including online calling services, Internet video and other Web applications that compete with their core businesses. But the rules give broadband providers flexibility to manage data on their systems to deal with problems such as network congestion and unwanted traffic including spam as long as they publicly disclose their network management practices.

Read more about it at the 2 links posted above.