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stewie 12-28-2010 11:25 AM

i can go tell everyone here that one day you will be a movie star.


to those who hear that and like what they hear, they start thinking "oh shit ima be a movie star?!" then they go out get some head shots done, send them to talent agencies, sure..maybe you'll get to be an extra in a movie here and there...eventually you might even land yourself a small role in a movie...no more then 5-10 minutes of screen time, but either way, your a movie star now.

you make things happen from what your told.

geeknerd 12-28-2010 11:41 AM

movie star is someone who is well known.
what ur referring to is an actor.

Here is my fortune telling.
"People are going to read this post."
dammmmmmm im good :)

cow20xx 12-28-2010 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by alpinestars (Post 7243109)
you just contradicted the post above, which fortune tells based on factual evidence and statistics.

:facepalm:

please tell me i read that post wrong before i completely lose faith in humanity.

observer 12-28-2010 01:34 PM

Say no to fortunetellers
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by LiquidTurbo (Post 7243080)
You've been watching too much philosophical movies or something. I don't want to ruin your idea of fortunes, but really? Are you actually considering wasting your money on something like a fortune teller???

Fortunetelling is form of pseudo-science and pseudo-philosophy. It's an insult to both science and philosophy.

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Originally Posted by striker_boi7 (Post 7243305)
Yeah... I'm pretty sure if you start buying information in bulk which target certain people, you can easily create a 'fortune telling' service that would mindfuck people pretty easily.

So in all likelihood fortune tellers and prophets throughout the ages were probably getting their information from somewhere else and carefully hiding what they know to seem more mysterious and powerful with their mind reading techniques?

You don't even need to buy information. As the cold reading video above explains, it's just a mind trick.

Most people, especially the less educated ones, are too lazy and naive to develop a skeptical mind. When the crook tells a visitor twenty things, the victim gets an orgasm over the couple of general points the scam artist correctly guesses, but completely ignores the rest.

And that's how swindler can get by with a very low accuracy rate and idiots still believe in them.

But then, most fortunetellers only go after giving instructions (play on the victim's fear and insecurity) rather than providing precise predictions (as they don't want to be exposed).

Mixed with mumbo jumbo words like destiny, fate, meant-to-be, the scammers take advantage of the victim's lack of sophistication in philosophy and knowledge in science.

Finish watching the Roots of All Evil, it's a classic. They did a study on astrology mixing up all the signs and people still find the readings accurate:


BNR32_Coupe 12-28-2010 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by cow20xx (Post 7243706)
:facepalm:

please tell me i read that post wrong before i completely lose faith in humanity.

you either read it wrong, or don't understand statistics

Ikkaku 12-28-2010 06:20 PM

it's called a self-fulfilling prophecy

stewie 12-28-2010 06:38 PM

i find it kind of amusing that the ad in the first post on this page is for 3 free minutes of live fortune telling readings :p

SB7 12-28-2010 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by AzNightmare (Post 7243519)
This is bullshit.
Even with predictions, they are often vague, and when they really happen,
whether a day later, a week, month, etc. You'll go back and think about this
fortune teller and think "Oh wow! it's true!"

Or you psychologically start to make things happen to fit what was predicted.

You might as well stick with the daily horoscope you get for free in the newspaper,
or crack open more fortune cookies. They're just as accurate as your fortune teller.


Since you failed my first post in this thread for no apparent reason, I feel like you have something against the earlier questions I raised. I never said I was looking for a fortune teller, nor was I looking for my fortune in a cookie.... I was just asking if anyone has had experience in dealing with fortune tellers in any part of the world because I was reading something that sparked some interesting thoughts in my head.

Also, your argument is irrelevant since i'm not really talking about your run-off-the mill newspaper horoscope that says things like

"Like minds and hearts gravitate toward you -- together you could rule the world, or ought to. Use this smooth energy to make big strides, conquer new ground so you'll be in ever better position when the situation is less ideal. Make time to explore your inner self."

Thats my horoscope for today which I just googled for the hell of it....

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Then there are the astrologers–a strange collection of people we are indeed. The more educated and "professional" ones take great umbrage at the suggestion that they are "fortune-tellers." Yet there is hardly an astrologer practicing today who does not use a form of prediction. And what is prediction if it is not fortune-telling? Fortune tellers seek to reveal in the present the events and outcomes "out there" in the future. Why do they do this? And why do people ask them to? And if astrologers don’t want to be seen as fortune-tellers why is so much of their work directed toward prediction? What do they imagine is the difference between what they do and fortune-telling? And why do astrologers ignore the large failure rate of their predictions?

I say astrologers "take umbrage." Umbrage refers to a shadow, as when an opaque object blocks the light. To take umbrage means to feel offended or insulted, apparently by having had someone cast a shadow on our light. I would like to suggest that in astrology’s attempt to read the future, and especially as this endeavor has come under scrutiny in the name of "proving" astrology through statistics, the shadow of astrological prediction has largely been overlooked. This opaque shadow is found in the motives that rarely reach consciousness, the motives of the client in seeking prediction and of the astrologer in offering it.

If the horoscope is truly capable of helping us to find the secret of who we are, then using it for prediction is like using the "pearl of great price" for a marble. What good is prediction? What does it serve? What does it hurt? Is it perhaps often a distraction from the truly valuable possibilities contained in the horoscope?

It is only natural that human beings would like to know the future. Putting aside the most obvious (and most superficial) reason for doing this (it’s fun!), what might be deeper motives? Ultimately it would seem to be for control and security. If we know our future we can prepare for disaster, protect ourselves, and maximize our opportunities. What’s wrong with that? Isn’t that exactly what science has been seeking to do for us: trying to discover and articulate the laws that cause things to happen so that we can control the forces involved and use them to our advantage?
full link: http://www.cosmicwindow.com/fortune.html

Sex, Ecology, Spirituality. Shambhala, 1995, p. 47

trip 12-28-2010 08:37 PM

she used a cpu and yes i understand the whole concept about that yadda yadda

the predictions? well while personal, i wont say exactly what but it does not at all explain how there were certain things in our personal lives that she knew without it ever being hinted or mentioned about.

as much as i would like to share.. alot of it is too personal and also its not my place to mention the experience/predictions she mentioned for my friends and brother.

when i went, it was with two of my closest friends.. and no one knows you better than two of your closest friends. everything she was saying about me was spot on, things she knew etc. i never mentioned a single thing to her and she already knew

LiquidTurbo 12-28-2010 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by trip (Post 7244235)
she used a cpu and yes i understand the whole concept about that yadda yadda

the predictions? well while personal, i wont say exactly what but it does not at all explain how there were certain things in our personal lives that she knew without it ever being hinted or mentioned about.

as much as i would like to share.. alot of it is too personal and also its not my place to mention the experience/predictions she mentioned for my friends and brother.

when i went, it was with two of my closest friends.. and no one knows you better than two of your closest friends. everything she was saying about me was spot on, things she knew etc. i never mentioned a single thing to her and she already knew

What? How could a prediction be so personal that you couldn't share? It's not like we know who you are.

Hey, I have a prediction for you... that you will get failed! (for your incredible ambiguity)

observer 12-29-2010 01:36 AM

Say no to superstition
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by striker_boi7 (Post 7244171)
Sex, Ecology, Spirituality. Shambhala, 1995, p. 47

Personally, when I see the word "spirituality", I run. Two words. Scam artists.

We really need more educated people in this world to express their naturalistic worldviews.

The following is one group for example, mainly made up of academics and scientists.

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observer 12-29-2010 01:53 AM

Say no to astrologists
 
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Originally Posted by BNR32_Coupe (Post 7244020)
you either read it wrong, or don't understand statistics

The crooks would of course want you to think that they understand statistics.

I doubt any fortunetellers know anything about math, or the science of the collection, organization, and interpretation of data. They are all con artists, stay away.

There are many things in this world we don't understand, if the scientists can't tell us the answers yet, I sincerely doubt any fortunetellers know any better.

We really need a better education system, we need more science classes in high school.

liu13 12-29-2010 10:44 AM

a fortune teller told my cousins in china i needed water in my room during i time i suffered bad insomnia, i didnt take the advice but i should have

observer 12-29-2010 11:10 AM

Your mother probably told you to eat more healthily, drink lots water, exercise.. Yes, when it's dry, water around you is good, humidifier better.

And let's see, if you soak your feet in warm/hot water before you go to sleep, you sleep even better. Don't give the scammers credits they don't deserve.

bloodmack 12-29-2010 01:35 PM

The way I look at it is we are given a room of "variable" doors and each door leads to another room of doors these doors are in any amount of numbers of each room, every door is a choice you make, there is no real correct way and the only doors that are fixed in life is the 1st and last one (life and death) fortune tellers are just good bullshitters IMO.

StaxBundlez 12-29-2010 02:32 PM

hey i didn't say there was any sort of science behind any of this, cause there isn't!! All I said was, I went there, she told me some shit.. told me WHEN it would happen.. HOW it would happen.. and that shit came true!

I am a big believer in methodological naturalism. I understand that good and bad things happen to all people at a statistical rate all the time. I understand time dilation and length contraction actually occur. I understand the deeper levels of natural law, from the macroscopic to the microscopic. From the molecular to the atomic to the nuclear to the sub-nuclear levels of natures functioning. I know the earth is not flat. I understand that the earth rotates at over 1000 miles per hour which orbits the sun at 66,00 miles per hour which in turn spins our solar system around our galaxy at 483,000 miles per hour. I UNDERSTAND THESE THINGS!!

BUT what I can't understand is how some chinese lady sat there with a pen and paper wrote out some shit about me.. and it all came true!!

it still boggles my mind..

that's all i'm saying.

alpinestars 12-29-2010 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StaxBundlez (Post 7245066)
hey i didn't say there was any sort of science behind any of this, cause there isn't!! All I said was, I went there, she told me some shit.. told me WHEN it would happen.. HOW it would happen.. and that shit came true!

I am a big believer in methodological naturalism. I understand that good and bad things happen to all people at a statistical rate all the time. I understand time dilation and length contraction actually occur. I understand the deeper levels of natural law, from the macroscopic to the microscopic. From the molecular to the atomic to the nuclear to the sub-nuclear levels of natures functioning. I know the earth is not flat. I understand that the earth rotates at over 1000 miles per hour which orbits the sun at 66,00 miles per hour which in turn spins our solar system around our galaxy at 483,000 miles per hour. I UNDERSTAND THESE THINGS!!

BUT what I can't understand is how some chinese lady sat there with a pen and paper wrote out some shit about me.. and it all came true!!

it still boggles my mind..

that's all i'm saying.

maybe i can shed a bit of light on this. what exactly did you tell her, and what did she predict?

anyone can apply basic cause and effect to make a seemingly "accurate" prediction based on information given

observer 12-29-2010 06:13 PM

Let's see:

You may have some financial problems, changes in your relationship with others at work. You will have health issues which you can overcome.

When you turn ## next year, it will be a new chapter in your life. You will miss someone you love dearly, and you feel frustrated over what you cannot do..


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