DriveSmartBC - Investigating Personation It was always a challenge when the violator failed to produce their driver's license. Were they being truthful when they told me that they had forgotten it at home? Did the name, address and birth date that they gave me belong to someone else? That honest face was occasionally nothing more than window dressing. The motives were many, no valid license, prohibited from driving, wanted for a criminal offence, even people illegally in Canada. If I didn't have the grounds to arrest the driver and hold them until I was satisfied that they were properly identified I had to do my best at the roadside. If there was a passenger in the vehicle they were often part of my investigation. When I informed the passenger that the driver was in violation of the Motor Vehicle Act and required them to identify the driver to me it was an offence for them to refuse or give false information. On rare occasions this did happen and the passengers were quite surprised to be ticketed along with the driver after I resolved the situation. The ticket was minimal punishment for circumstances that could be considered to be obstructing a peace officer when false information was furnished. This is a criminal offence that could have serious repercussions in the passenger's future. Helping a friend try to avoid trouble in this manner is something that you should think twice about! Reference Links |
I'm sure a lot of people here know the term "impersonating a police officer" (mostly from watching TV, no doubt)... so what's the difference between "personation" and "IMpersonation"? (Interesting - Chrome's spellchecker does't like "personation" :D) |
I just followed the wording in the Criminal Code.... My friend Google says: personate - pose: pretend to be someone you are not; sometimes with fraudulent intentions |
Interesting... "impersonate" comes up with pretty much the same definition. There must be some subtle legal difference somewhere... |
Just like flammable and inflammable... |
Is there still a option the police officer has to give the vehicle operator a 24hour period to bring their Drivers License into his municipalities city hall..... or police station? |
The law requires that you immediately produce the DL...and actually requires you to hand it to them and answer questions about your identity from it...see other posts here about "personation". Police may decide to give a notice and order to produce the DL...in addition to any fine...or instead of a fine. There is no "produce it within 24 hours" provision in the MV Act. Production of licence and liability card, duplicates 33 (1) Every person, except (a) a person driving or operating a motor vehicle exempted under section 2 (5) or section 8 or 10, or (b) a person driving or operating a motor vehicle of a fire department of a municipality, must have his or her driver's licence and driver's certificate and a motor vehicle liability insurance card or financial responsibility card, issued for the motor vehicle he or she is driving or operating, in his or her possession at all times while driving or operating that motor vehicle on a highway, and must produce the licence, certificate and card for inspection on demand of a peace officer. |
I didn't ask if it was in the MVA. I heard of this happening to a family friend years ago and that was a option given. Would you care to explain the law about refusing to produce ID when another person is the driver and you are just a passenger? |
There is obviously some sort of discretion from the Police Officer - which will not be in the MVA. That is why sometimes people get off with a warning, as opposed to a violation ticket. |
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Zulutango - Thanks for the info. |
i have heard of officers letting drivers produce there DL(within a couple hours) and having the VT ripped up... edit that was for lack of proof of insurance!! |
I've told the story before... cop outside of Kelowna who looked me up from my SIN number because I'd forgotten my license at home, then let me go on my way with only a Box 3 for my badly-cracked windshield. This despite the van itself not being in my name (work vehicle). Saved the day, since I was on my way to a jobsite. So yes, cops ARE intelligent enough to use some discretion... plus I think he appreciated the irony that I didn't have my license because I'd taken it out of my wallet to be photocopied for a criminal record check. |
So...did you pass the CR check...don't keep us in suspense!!!! |
Of course! Had to do it to volunteer for St. John Ambulance Therapy Dogs program :D |
question: What if you license was stolen? I know it can be reported to the police, and the police can see that. I've had a situation where my wallet was stolen, and it was on a weekend evening. I reported to police right away (They actually found it, 1.5 years later lol). I never got pulled over, but this thread got me thinking. Also, a little off topic: If I'm walking down the street, can a PO approach me and demand identification and search me? What if I don't have any on me? Can they hold me? Now, I'm not talking about me walking down the street looking into cars or whatever. Just walking down, middle of the day with a slurpee and a cigarette, etc. |
FYI, that happened to my friend once. He got slammed onto the hood of his car right in front of his house. Just kept harrassing him until his mom came out screaming that he actually does live there. |
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Our two Westies should go on a road trip to mett your dogs. Mine are also used to entertaining old folks too....me!:devil: |
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As for descriptors, there are generally going to be TONS of people with similar descriptors in any given area. In my case, there is someone who looks different to me, but has similar descriptors (6'0-6'4, 180-200lbs, white, light skin - I can't tan for the life of me - light brown hair), who was born on the same year, month, day as me and has the same name as me who lives in Vancouver as well. |
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