Gordon Ramsay - Shark Bait

[Arash]

Im sure everyone would like the shark family to stay intact a hundred plus years from now.

Hopefully the consumers that have reached "the status", which also should own televisions, will one day be shown the plight of endangered animals and the miracle of their existence in our planet.

If governments dont cooperate in time, I hope some philanthropist will hire mercenaries to shutdown these major factories, resulting in the price to be driven higher so that only the super rich can afford nicely textured meals.

[twitchyzero]

[geeknerd]

i wish it was more expensive. i dont feel rich enough eating them anymore

[Ronin]

I wouldn't order it but not because of any ethical reason. I prefer that fish maw soup anyways.

If it's there, I wouldn't turn it down.

[CKLCKL]

Originally Posted by Boobiemaster

Sharks run the ocean. They oversee the populations, and without them all the plankton eaters in the ocean will over populate, and over feed...

Did I really have to spell that out for you?

Are you retarded? Please educate yourself before you type.

Phytoplankton is naturally occuring in seawater where there is circulation, they are literally everywhere. They are the foundation of the freshwater foodchain. Your retardedness is like saying that we will run out of algae in the world.

Please do everyone a favour and look up "phytoplankton bloom".

[darkfroggy]

Originally Posted by TRDood

Finally get to finish the video. Chinese people are going to demand the product as they get richer. I think its a phase. Personally I think it tastes good, but would not pay $50 a bowl for it out of my own pocket. I'd rather have a lobster or steak.

Speaking of cruelty, shark finning is not THAT bad relative to people eating monkey brains by cracking the monkey's skull open. Luckily, not that many people do that anymore - i hope.
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How the hell does it "taste good"? Shark fin has no taste, it's entirely MSG.

Shark finning is bad. They fin the sharks WHILE THEY ARE STILL ALIVE, and dump them off into the water ALIVE.

Basically, these sharks will DROWN, STARVE, or be picked apart by other animals, and it can do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. That's torture to the greatest degree.

Finned sharks are a fucking sad sight, stripped of all their dignity. Fucking finners should get their limbs chopped off and thrown in a pool of iodine, since that's what they're basically doing.

[darkfroggy]

Originally Posted by ShyGuy

I'm having shark fin soup tonight...yum!

I own my own house and don't need to eat overpriced, useless shit to make myself feel "special".

Feels good man.

[Nightwalker]

Originally Posted by darkfroggy

these sharks will DROWN

This problem isn't so funny though. Shit is out of control.

[donjalapeno]

I rather have sharks in the world then too see some greedy ass rich asians eat a beutiful animal. The fisherman who slaughter these animals must be some starving motherfuckers to have such heart as too cut the sharks fins off while alive and then throw them in the water, i hope they [fisherman] all experience losing a limb before they die. Im not a racist person but when i found out that asians like too slaughter a animal while its still alive just so that the meat can taste a little fresher really made me think differently about them. We live in one fucked up world.

[lowside67]

Originally Posted by Culverin

I wouldn't call them mongrels, but yes, there will always be uneducated people within every demographic.

Unfortunately, us in the west must wake up and face reality, that china has a MASSIVE population, 1,341,000,000 people (estimate from wikipedia).
That's just short of 40 times the population of canada.

Let's just assume for the moment that the barest 1% of that is RICH.
Not gold-plated-italian-supercar-rich, but VERY rich.
Enough for them to secure their future, their kids, and their grandparents.
That's 100 MILLION very rich people. And it's almost all "new money", meaning the generation that earned all that money was not raised by parents with a university education. They likely didn't even finish high school.

... Long Essay

Pro-tip: 1% of 1,341,000,000 people is 13,410,000 not 100,000,000.

[twitchyzero]

Originally Posted by darkfroggy

I own my own house and don't need to eat overpriced, useless shit to make myself feel "special".

haters gonna hate

[twitchyzero]

Originally Posted by Soltaaa

I rather have sharks in the world then too see some greedy ass rich asians eat a beutiful animal. The fisherman who slaughter these animals must be some starving motherfuckers to have such heart as too cut the sharks fins off while alive and then throw them in the water, i hope they [fisherman] all experience losing a limb before they die. Im not a racist person but when i found out that asians like too slaughter a animal while its still alive just so that the meat can taste a little fresher really made me think differently about them. We live in one fucked up world.

Did you just miss the entire 5 pages of this thread where we were discussing double standards? You think the cow died happily for your mcdonald's big mac sandwich? Just cause cows are percieved by many to be ugly it's perfectly fine to slit their throats?

[Hi_Im_Mike]

If you guys are interested in helping to save the sharks then I suggest going to www.sharktruth.com
It`s not my site or anything but it is a local site and they educate people about shark fin soups and how you can help and so on. They even give out prizes for weddings who don`t order the soup at their wedding.

[darkfroggy]

Originally Posted by twitchyzero

Did you just miss the entire 5 pages of this thread where we were discussing double standards? You think the cow died happily for your mcdonald's big mac sandwich? Just cause cows are percieved by many to be ugly it's perfectly fine to slit their throats?

I'm pretty sure cows aren't sliced off limb by limb, then left off to bleed out/starve to death/ slowly eaten by other predators.

That, and cows aren't anywhere close to being extinct.

[darkfroggy]

Originally Posted by Ronin

I wouldn't order it but not because of any ethical reason. I prefer that fish maw soup anyways.

If it's there, I wouldn't turn it down.

Why wouldn't you turn it down?

Maybe you could make a difference by refusing to eat it, and then encouraging others to do the same.

[moguo]

Originally Posted by Soltaaa

I rather have sharks in the world then too see some greedy ass rich asians eat a beutiful animal. The fisherman who slaughter these animals must be some starving motherfuckers to have such heart as too cut the sharks fins off while alive and then throw them in the water, i hope they [fisherman] all experience losing a limb before they die. Im not a racist person but when i found out that asians like too slaughter a animal while its still alive just so that the meat can taste a little fresher really made me think differently about them. We live in one fucked up world.

I feel compelled to register and respond to this. There are so many things I don't agree with, but then again, it's just my personal opinion and I'm in no way saying you're wrong.

Shark fins cost $28/lb and the meat costs $2/lb (I might have gotten the units wrong but it's mentioned in the video), so economically speaking, it's much more profitable to just keep the fin and throw out the body. And it's not because those fishermen are simply coldhearted demons, but rather they care more about money than biodiversity or treating animals nicely. So I sincerely hope you don't mean it when you said you hope they all experience losing a limb before they die.

For the bolded point, it's because you have internet access, are posting on RS, and have a general level of comfort in your life that you would begin to care enough about the environment. Ask a starving person whether they care more about when their next meal is or about sharks, biodiversity, or global warming. Refer to the Kuznets curve for environmental quality if you want to go to town with this idea.

Everyone has his or her own opinions about race, gender, sexual orientation, and [insert controversial issue or just issue in general] so I believe everyone is racist, but some people are more open to ideas different from their own. Therefore, I find it disappointing that you would think differently about Asians because of their culinary tastes. For me, it's natural to look for freshness in food, and I don't think this is limited to Asians either. What I find fucked up is that meats in North America come in little packages and don't resemble where they come from at all.

As for slaughtering animals while they're alive to retain freshness, that's unrelated to this thread. Shark fin is dried.

My biggest problem with shark fin is that only 5% of it is used. It's wasteful. Second biggest problem is biodiversity. Sharks have been around for millions of years, so evolutionary speaking, they are very fit and should not go extinct if it weren't for us. But I also think that the marine ecosystem will somehow adapt even if sharks were to go extinct. Some other predator will fill the gap. Don't underestimate mother nature!

[donjalapeno]

Originally Posted by twitchyzero

Did you just miss the entire 5 pages of this thread where we were discussing double standards? You think the cow died happily for your mcdonald's big mac sandwich? Just cause cows are percieved by many to be ugly it's perfectly fine to slit their throats?

Did you miss the fact that Cows WILL never be instinct and that they get slaughterd painlessely ( for the most part). If a animal is being slaughterd and everything will be used and sold then i really dont mind and will enjoy my steak but when people are cutting a big ass shark that is near instiction and using only 5% of it and then tossing it back into the water thats what bothers me. Wiping out a shit load of sharks all for a fuckin bowl of soup? just so that you can feel wealthy when eating it. Just because we are blessed with all different kinds of animals doesnt mean we have to chop each one up and eat it.

For example when italians kill a lamb, they USE every single bit of the lamb for food. They use the bones and fat for stock. They use the organs for stew. They use the head for stock/soup/stew. And the meat for basically anything. Usually the cheaper cuts of meat ( the head, organs etc) are used at soup kitchens to make homeless people soup and stew. This way the animal wont get wasted. Now people are saying shark meat is worthless a fillet of shark meat cant be more gross than a lambs digestive organs. People can use the meat but there too selfish too and only care about money.

Originally Posted by moguo

I feel compelled to register and respond to this. There are so many things I don't agree with, but then again, it's just my personal opinion and I'm in no way saying you're wrong.

Shark fins cost $28/lb and the meat costs $2/lb (I might have gotten the units wrong but it's mentioned in the video), so economically speaking, it's much more profitable to just keep the fin and throw out the body. And it's not because those fishermen are simply coldhearted demons, but rather they care more about money than biodiversity or treating animals nicely. So I sincerely hope you don't mean it when you said you hope they all experience losing a limb before they die.

For the bolded point, it's because you have internet access, are posting on RS, and have a general level of comfort in your life that you would begin to care enough about the environment. Ask a starving person whether they care more about when their next meal is or about sharks, biodiversity, or global warming. Refer to the Kuznets curve for environmental quality if you want to go to town with this idea.

Everyone has his or her own opinions about race, gender, sexual orientation, and [insert controversial issue or just issue in general] so I believe everyone is racist, but some people are more open to ideas different from their own. Therefore, I find it disappointing that you would think differently about Asians because of their culinary tastes. For me, it's natural to look for freshness in food, and I don't think this is limited to Asians either. What I find fucked up is that meats in North America come in little packages and don't resemble where they come from at all.

As for slaughtering animals while they're alive to retain freshness, that's unrelated to this thread. Shark fin is dried.

My biggest problem with shark fin is that only 5% of it is used. It's wasteful. Second biggest problem is biodiversity. Sharks have been around for millions of years, so evolutionary speaking, they are very fit and should not go extinct if it weren't for us. But I also think that the marine ecosystem will somehow adapt even if sharks were to go extinct. Some other predator will fill the gap. Don't underestimate mother nature!

Well sir,

TBH my blood was boiling when i posted that but the people on that boat didnt look like homeless hungry hobos they looked like normal fisherman and yes you have to be coldhearted to stomp on a baby shark and cut its fins watch it bleed and then kick it around some more until it dies. If your going to kill a animal do it properly and provide as little pain as you can to the animal. I personally love asian food and love freshness in my food however i dont approve of torturing a animal to death JUST to have freshness in your next meal, thats the most selfish thing a human being can do. The meats in north america are packaged in the grocery store ( ie, save on foods, safeway etc) and the butchers are MORE than happy to tell you where the meat is from, its not like there hiding anything from you. Once you find out the location of where the meat was produced you can do research to see if the quality of the meat, That being said if your THAT into knowing where your meat is coming from etc then go to local butchers, im sure there all happy too help out future customers. Another reason why North americans package meat in small packages is for cleaniess and overall look of the meat, it looks more pleasing to the eye than having a blood dripping hooks of meat outside a store waiting to be cut.


it all boils down to, why waste 95% of a animal for a bowl of soup.


Better yet.


Why torture AND overfish a beutiful animal thats been with us for millions of years for a bowl of soup.

[goo3]

Looks like we're halfway to 10 pages

[zz]

Originally Posted by darkfroggy

I'm pretty sure cows aren't sliced off limb by limb, then left off to bleed out/starve to death/ slowly eaten by other predators.

That, and cows aren't anywhere close to being extinct.

This is my hypothesis, but from my understanding i thought he responded that way because soltaa discovered the fact that because he found out asians slaughtered "beautiful" sharks he concluded the world was fucked up. twitchyzero replied to him to that fashion because there are other people of different ethnic origins that slaughter other animals for their own consumption (as displayed from the previous pages).

Now i understand and im sure twitchyzero does too that the sharks are going extinct (looks like he read 5 sections of this thread). He isn't denying that. He was just making a point that other people besides asians fuck shit up too when it comes to consuming non human species.

[TheNewGirl]

Originally Posted by darkfroggy

I'm pretty sure cows aren't sliced off limb by limb, then left off to bleed out/starve to death/ slowly eaten by other predators.

That, and cows aren't anywhere close to being extinct.

The slaughtering process does begin while the cow is still alive in some instances. Good slaughter houses don't allow this to happen but cost cutting in others, and compassion fatigue means in some this isn't the case.

I again recommend a viewing of Food Inc and reading the book Skinny Bitches. Both discuss the extreme cases in quite a bit of depth. Though it's important to keep in mind these are the the most extreme, worst cases generally depicted.

There's several very good documentaries about the Poultry industry as well, most of them come out of the UK and discuss the cost/benefit difference between free range poultry rearing and standard warehouse practices as well as humane slaughter methods.

[MrGoodbar]

If people want to protect sharks they should just attach some frickin' laser beams to their heads against poachers. Every animal deserves a warm meal.

[TheNewGirl]

Frickin' laser beams for the cows too! Make people work for those hamburgers!

[TRDood]

Originally Posted by Soltaaa

I rather have sharks in the world then too see some greedy ass rich asians eat a beutiful animal. The fisherman who slaughter these animals must be some starving motherfuckers to have such heart as too cut the sharks fins off while alive and then throw them in the water, i hope they [fisherman] all experience losing a limb before they die. Im not a racist person but when i found out that asians like too slaughter a animal while its still alive just so that the meat can taste a little fresher really made me think differently about them. We live in one fucked up world.

I agree with the shark comment. However, unless you don't eat any meat, you contribute to slaughtering as well. Read the previous pages about animal harvesting efficiency.
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[LiquidTurbo]

I Love the oxymoron "humane slaughter". Slaughter is slaughter.
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[TRDood]

Originally Posted by moguo

I feel compelled to register and respond to this. There are so many things I don't agree with, but then again, it's just my personal opinion and I'm in no way saying you're wrong.

Shark fins cost $28/lb and the meat costs $2/lb (I might have gotten the units wrong but it's mentioned in the video), so economically speaking, it's much more profitable to just keep the fin and throw out the body. And it's not because those fishermen are simply coldhearted demons, but rather they care more about money than biodiversity or treating animals nicely. So I sincerely hope you don't mean it when you said you hope they all experience losing a limb before they die.

For the bolded point, it's because you have internet access, are posting on RS, and have a general level of comfort in your life that you would begin to care enough about the environment. Ask a starving person whether they care more about when their next meal is or about sharks, biodiversity, or global warming. Refer to the Kuznets curve for environmental quality if you want to go to town with this idea.

Everyone has his or her own opinions about race, gender, sexual orientation, and [insert controversial issue or just issue in general] so I believe everyone is racist, but some people are more open to ideas different from their own. Therefore, I find it disappointing that you would think differently about Asians because of their culinary tastes. For me, it's natural to look for freshness in food, and I don't think this is limited to Asians either. What I find fucked up is that meats in North America come in little packages and don't resemble where they come from at all.

As for slaughtering animals while they're alive to retain freshness, that's unrelated to this thread. Shark fin is dried.

My biggest problem with shark fin is that only 5% of it is used. It's wasteful. Second biggest problem is biodiversity. Sharks have been around for millions of years, so evolutionary speaking, they are very fit and should not go extinct if it weren't for us. But I also think that the marine ecosystem will somehow adapt even if sharks were to go extinct. Some other predator will fill the gap. Don't underestimate mother nature!

For sure about the economic argument. We live in a developed country where we don't have shortage of food and adequate income. Therefore, we have spare time to deal with these issues e.g. Get mad with animal cruelty. At the same time, we always ask "how do we improve living standards of developing countries?"

These countries who are finning just want to make money. Given the choice between killing sharks or caring about the environment when you have to feed your starving family, what would you choose? I agree that it's wasteful but people have to find ways to pay for the basics.
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