I have another question. Why are so many political junkies so into left vs right? Why do we never hear you guys talk about competence? You act as if all decision-makers are of equal quality.. they're not.

When everyone's busy choosing a side, they get so blinded they forget to measure the results of the policies they implement. They act is if the problem they want to solve cares about which side they belong to - it (the problem) doesn't give a shit. Each situation is dynamic.. it all but guarantees a sub-optimal solution or one that barely works. You guys are using flashlight to fix a broken chair.

ah thanks Soundy for the story
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for federal politics, that's pretty close.

conservatives have gone a little more than centre-right, liberals have shifted very slightly centre-left, ndp are far left, and so is green.

for provincial politics (what this thread was originally about) the liberals are centre-right, while the ndp are still left. (federal and provincial NDP are very closely related to each other -- they fully support each other)

the provincial liberals, on the other hand, have nothing to do with federal liberals at all. i can understand how people get confused by politics. it's something you really have to spend time on in order to figure stuff out.

Political junkies often have a "world view" or holistic view of how they think the world should work. It doesn't matter if say the NDP implemented a policy on subsidized daycare and it was successful; if it doesn't fit within their view of how society should be run, then it's dismissed.

Most people care only about themselves, so I don't bother getting into politics anymore........ it's all about tits now.

Left or right wing? I say, Left or right tit. We all know women have one breast bigger than the other. OK, getting way off topic..............

Women in politics - all about the tits. Unless they are ugly as sin, like Carole James. She had to go. Eye sore.

Seriously, we need more good looking women in politics. Let's change this topic to hottest female politicians and post pics. There has to be a few out there.

Left or right wing doesn't mean anythig anymore

You've got the party in power and the opposition, opposition oposes everything the party in power has to do/say regardless of the merit or benefits
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This is a key problem, especially these days: everyone seems to have this definition of "democracy" as meaning "I get what **I** want, simply because I asked for it". Like the guy that phoned up Jill Bennet's show on NW Sunday morning and went off about Christy being the new Premier being a "slap in the face to democracy" and the "undemocratic process" used... well guess what, that process was chosen DEMOCRATICALLY by the entire party, and she was chosen DEMOCRATICALLY via that process.

Same goes (getting off on a bit of a rant here) for The Zalm and his Anti-HST crusade: after much ballyhoo, backed up by a lot of hand-wringing, disinformation and a few outright lies, he gets a whopping, what, 17%? of registered voters to sign his petition... then when the Liberals don't instantly respond to that by stopping the HST implementation (keep in mind, this was all before the change-over), he starts crying to anyone who'll listen about how the Liberals are "an affront to democracy", and "the people have spoken and they're not listening!" and so forth... hey, Bill? 17% have spoken... the other 83% either want the opposite, or just don't give a fuck. If everything changed just because of your little 17%, THAT would be an affront to democracy.

Hell, even in a residential strata, you only need a 75% quorum to pass a major resolution...

You mean it wasn't before? :D

Well, unless you're into Romulan chicks. Seriously, take a look at her sometime - she looks like a Romulan.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabrielle_Giffords

Seriously, how f'n hot is this?

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_rUyDhdZLna...8223953125.jpg

This is what really drives me nuts, ESPECIALLY with Canadian politics: how often do the Opposition actually come up with some IDEAS or some CONSTRUCTIVE criticism? It seems their only mandate is to nit-pick and decry and, well... oppose. The ruling party could say they want to make it nice weather all the time, and the Opposition would spend the whole day finding problems with that. Fuck, if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem - if you have a BETTER suggestion, then spill it; otherwise you're just generating greenhouse gases by flapping your jaw.

For 89blkcivic: :troll:

http://www.collectionscanada.ca/obj/h4/f1/17-v3.jpg

I like how you guys are debating things that you have no control over what so ever, no matter what gets said here, nothing will change.

you will get ass raped no matter who is in power.

This is not true. Both Liberal and Conservatives on the federal level are for the continued operation of Globalive.

Apparently you have no clue how democracy works.

lol,

the fact that you think we have a democracy and that our vote actually does something, means you have no clue how it works,

sure we can vote in who we want,

but what they do after we vote them in we cant control, they are free to as they see fit,

example = cambell, obama, actually hell, every politician thats ever come into power?

the fact you think you actually have a choice in any matter is funny.

That's a fairly pessimistic view you've got there. If that were the case we might has well become a autocratic state.

The fact is that we can enact change, especially in Canada. Don't like something? we can rally and garner support to make changes in the legislation etc.

Even hardcore regimes are now seeing the effects of public movement towards change of leadership (in Libyia, Egypt etc.).

If everyone where to except your worldview we might as well lay down and accept control as they see fit.

we CAN do a lot of things,

we dont, the changes made by the government arent drastic enough to initiate action, they only change 1 thing at a time, very slowly, the more the public becomes accepting of the previous change, they move onto the next change, they arent stupid, the general public is very stupid.


Dont get me wrong, I vote all the time, just because I can,

but it doesnt mean anything will come from my vote, and nothing comes of yours, you just like to believe something does,

im not that naive.

you seem like a smart enough guy -- so how can you not understand how representational gov't works?

you expect 33 million people to be able to run the country exactly how they individually see fit?

Campbell promised that he wouldn't sell or privatize BC Rail, then he got elected and sold BC Rail

He promised to keep the $8 minimum wage, then he lowered it to $6

he promised to not implement hst, he implemented it,

the list goes on,

that shit is not what we voted for,

they do what they want after their elected, fact.

it doesnt matter who you elect.

Explain why Campbell resigned, if our voices didn't matter?

Yet, he was still elected by British Columbians.

So, he must be doing something right.

Please remember that promises =/ reality. Getting things done takes a lot of fucking work at the government level.

It's easy to criticize when you're sitting in armchair without having to balance the interests of millions of British Columbians.

And look where Campbell ended up you idiot

not to mention all those people, Campbell etc. as are almost all head of political parties, are all basically figure heads of their party, they dont make the decisions that put them in those positions, it's the people behind the scenes, the people are either voted in by small constituent groups, or brought into the game as consultants/advisors

BTW Jufes, that George Carlin peice was used at the opening to a zeitgiest movie i believe :P

Kim Campbell = too white........ skin tone, that is. Need some serious tan..... but alas, she would turn into a lobster.

Bhutto, now she was hot......in her younger days.

hit the nail on the head with a hammer here. So what he ended up resigning, he still fucked us.

"But wait, ohhh thats ok because he resigned"?? Fuck you, that is dumb. Does murder become ok when the killer turns himself in?? Does Scamthony become a good person if he just admits that he stole Mikes money and has no intention of paying him back?? NO, the anwser is no. Seriously get fucking real and open your eyes.