Being on time for your shift

[impactX]

I am sure there are people who are "Type C" out there who are usually "late" for work but stay to work during lunch break/coffee breaks and don't get off on time either. It really depends on the industry.

[drunkrussian]

Originally Posted by Ferra

are you sure?? I've had 3 family doctors in my life, EVERYONE SINGLE ONE OF THEM seems to think it is okay for them to be late

I alway ask the nurse for the earliest appt (8am) when I go see the doctor, but these guys are never on time, alway 15-20 mins late even for their earliest appt.

lol true, bad example. family doctors run their own business, so they pretty much show up whenever they please

[Nocardia]

This obviously can't be applied to all types of work.

If someone relies on you being there (ie services like a gas station attendant), then obviously B
If someone relies on the days work you do while being there (ie industry like the gas truck delivering gas to the station), then A


Whats 5 minutes of work when the work gets done from 805-1705. Its those who work 805-1700 that get no where in life

[EDawg]

i work at a bank and to be honest, i usually go by "A"

already better than some of my coworkers though

[Grandmaster TSE]

type B
starting your shift at 8 means your ready to go at 8, not arriving at 8

[Gridlock]

Originally Posted by Great68

I would mostly agree with "B" but sometimes it's not so clear cut, it depends on the job.

I know from my Crappy tire days that managers told the cashiers they were expected to be in the store 15 minutes before the start of their shift so they could count their float (their cash on hand) and put it in the till.

They were not paid for the 15 minutes they were required to be early. I thought this was wrong, as they were doing WORK (Counting the float) that 15 minutes they were required to be there before their shift.

Once a manager gave a cashier shit for not being there that 15 minutes early, I heard this and threatened to give labour relations a call. I never heard the manager complain about it again.

That being said, I haven't worked a clear "Shift" job in 10 years, my current job I'm free to come and go as I please as long as I put in a full day's work.

I had my supervisor at a desk job get disjointed because I was 10 minutes late one morning. She gave me a speech and it was done.

I was late the next day.

I get called into the managers office, and she asks, "what are you going to do to make sure that you are on time in the morning?"

I take it, and then follow up with, "that's interesting. On a related note, did you get an overtime slip for the 2 hours I stayed last night?-and you never will."

Amazingly, I never heard from them again. And I got promoted. I became the supervisor after she got canned

Seriously, its a frigging office. You are flexible and I'm flexible and its all happy.

[GabAlmighty]

As a lifeguard...

You're ready to teach swimming lessons at 8. You're ready to rotate your guard at 8. Your coworkers will give you the stink eye if you rotate a few minutes late and parents ain't gonna be happy if their kid misses 5mins of their 30min lesson.

[drunkrussian]

from the sounds of it, as autonomy increases, the importance of being on time lessens. Think about it - all these jobs where you gotta be on time - lifeguard, teacher, call centre agent... all have others depending on you.

all the jobs where it doesn't matter as much - office jobs mostly, you're doing your own thing, you can be late, but the pressure is on to show results

then there's self employment - doctor, businessman etc....you can now be wildly late, however you won't be because you know that it's either work your ass off or crumble.

So...either way ur fucked

[Bonjour43MA]

yeah it depends on what kinda of job it is... At a couple of the previous jobs where my punctuality had an effect on my co-workers, I was the "B" type.

With salary-based office jobs, however - I get in whenever I get in, within reasonable time, of course. Plus I always stay late to finish my tasks and etc so it balances out

[rslater]

Man North American style of work sucks.

[Jeremy617]

Originally Posted by impactX

I am sure there are people who are "Type C" out there who are usually "late" for work but stay to work during lunch break/coffee breaks and don't get off on time either. It really depends on the industry.

This, if you have a job where customers or team members are relying on you to be there on time, you can't expect to be late and not have anybody care.

I generally show up at 9am+/- 2 hours, depending how tired I am, but i've also been doing 60+ hour weeks the last 2 months with no O/T pay. My boss has had a couple of the 9-5 people that work in the same office as me (who are in a different dept.) come to him and try to rat me out for showing up late all the time, he told them to mind their own business.

[hk20000]

B is important if you have to take over someone that worked before you.

Something like floor jobs, waiters, gas station clerk, etc.

where's choice C? I go to work when I feel like it.

[Oleophobic]

Originally Posted by Jeremy617

This, if you have a job where customers or team members are relying on you to be there on time, you can't expect to be late and not have anybody care.

I generally show up at 9am+/- 2 hours, depending how tired I am, but i've also been doing 60+ hour weeks the last 2 months with no O/T pay. My boss has had a couple of the 9-5 people that work in the same office as me (who are in a different dept.) come to him and try to rat me out for showing up late all the time, he told them to mind their own business.

wow I hate tattletales
they can go fuck themselves

[alex.w *//]

I"m usually the A person

[Rogue951]

I'm at work I'm early every shift. I can't even be a minute late. (unusual circumstances aside, flat tire etc.)

1st late, verbal warning.
2nd, written.
3rd, disciplinary.
all on record.


Being a supervisor at another job, I definitely want my staff doing B, and think it's good form to do so.
At this job, I expect my staff to be signed in, uniforms neat and ready to go when that clock ticks over, not swipe in at such time, go to locker, take sweet time changing and talking on the phone, then show up with pants hanging around the knees.
and I do take note when people do "A" and "B" when it comes time to do evaluations.

It's all about being prepared in life. A is not being prepared.

You don't go buy a fire extinguisher when your house is already fully engulfed. You have one ready for when one starts.

[Westcoast67]

I have this theory that I don't work for free. So unless they want to pay me to be there early, they will get me at the start time set out in the contract. If you make a half decent wage, 15 minutes per day extra over a year will be substantial. Those that claim this is a poor approach must not understand that companies have zero loyalty to you as an employee and you should reciprocate that sentiment.

[Gridlock]

Originally Posted by Jeremy617

This, if you have a job where customers or team members are relying on you to be there on time, you can't expect to be late and not have anybody care.

I generally show up at 9am+/- 2 hours, depending how tired I am, but i've also been doing 60+ hour weeks the last 2 months with no O/T pay. My boss has had a couple of the 9-5 people that work in the same office as me (who are in a different dept.) come to him and try to rat me out for showing up late all the time, he told them to mind their own business.

LOL...exactly. In an office, this is how I like to work. I'm not a morning person. I don't watch the clock. The price is, don't watch the clock for me.

Once I became manager, I had a woman that at 4pm, she would drop the pen mid-sentence and start for the door. That's awesome. That same person got shit if they were a minute late. Others would be on more flexible time, but don't come to me with an overtime sheet. I'm not counting hours, so you can't either. If you are here 3 hours extra, then I'll pay out. Everyone kind of chose which version of me they dealt with I MUCH preferred the second set, because that's my work ethic.

[SpuGen]

I used to work in a Restaurant. I was a Prep Chef, and the only one in my station, so that meant showing up 20-25 minutes before my shift, sometimes even 30-40 minutes before. So I was b, until around the last month I was there, I became a.

- Had to get changed
- Daily Inventory
- Accept/inventory all new stock 3 times a week
- Create a Prep list, and get it approved by a Sous Chef
- Clean environment, knives sharpened, Boards ready.
- C Vap Turned on, and preheated by 8.
- Prime Ribs Seared and prepped to go into the C Vap at 8am. No later.

All this while the Line guys are constantly running in and out taking my stock, screwing up my Cooler/Line numbers, and making breakfast from 5am, making it impossible to use the Griddle top/whatever to do it.

Never had a Lunch break. Never actually even ate. All I had were smoke breaks that were actually Trash runs that I was in charge of doing because somehow everybody else was "too busy"

Became B. Demoted the same week. Somebody from line took my job + a raise
I quit, and went back to school.
Fuck kitchen jobs. Passion or not, it's a bunch of bullshit.

[91LS-VTak]

I get to work a few minutes early, but I don't log on to my system or do anything work-related until 8. If they ain't paying me.....

[Ferra]

Originally Posted by Gridlock

I had my supervisor at a desk job get disjointed because I was 10 minutes late one morning. She gave me a speech and it was done.

I was late the next day.

I get called into the managers office, and she asks, "what are you going to do to make sure that you are on time in the morning?"

I take it, and then follow up with, "that's interesting. On a related note, did you get an overtime slip for the 2 hours I stayed last night?-and you never will."

Amazingly, I never heard from them again. And I got promoted. I became the supervisor after she got canned

Seriously, its a frigging office. You are flexible and I'm flexible and its all happy.

Truth is, for most office jobs, being 5 mins late really makes no difference at all
But a good manager should alway feel obligated to scoff their employees for being even 1 min late because it prevents things from getting worse day after days
i.e., in the beginning, you let ppl know 5 mins late is okay, so 5 min late became the norm, after a while, the 10 mins late is also okay too because it is only 5 min later than the norm, and after a while ppl start coming in 15, 20 mins late...and things only go downhill from there on

So next time you get scoffed by your manager for trivia matter (e.g: 5 mins late), don't blame them, they know it is not a big deal, it is just that they don't want you to push the boundary and set a bad example.

[Graeme S]

I can't stand to be late for work; I have a minor freak out if I'm only going to be "on time". I don't trust traffic, I don't trust busses, I don't trust street lights, and I don't trust other people. I'm always planning to be at work 15+ minutes early just 'cause I know that one day that I don't I'll end up super late.

[twitchyzero]

I'm an A as long as the employer is not adhering to the proper employment laws (paying you 4 hours if you show up for work but feeling ill half way through, time and half on holidays etc)

[l2_narain]

Originally Posted by winson604

Just wanted some opinions on what people define as being on time for work. Let's say in this case you work in a call centre and your shift is 8-5.

A) You walk in the office at 8 and by the time you are fully logged in and actually ready to work it's 8:05 or later. However, because you were at your desk by 8:00am you don't see anything wrong with this.

B) You walk in at 7:55am, log in and you're ready to take your first call by 8:00am. You consider this to be the only right way to do it.

If anybody answers "A" would you mind sharing your thought process on why it's ok. If anybody doesn't feel "A" is the correct answer by all means please play the devils advocate here and give some legit reasons on why "A" might be correct.

Personally I think you are paid to work from 8-5 not to be here at 8 and to work from 8:05-5. Just like if you were at a Bank waiting for it to open you would expect that the employees have already got there early and setup everything so when they open the door they can serve you right away rather than them walking through the door with you and asking you to wait 5 mins before they setup.

Thanks

This have been talked to death at my office. "Oh, I don't get paid that extra 5 minutes to do my s%$#." or "That's your job; ready to go right at 8am, not a minute later. Don't like it quit!"

By the time I swipe the card for the door/elevator, clear the man doors, log-in my user profile on the computer, log-in to my extension, open 4 sessions of the system we use (one to log-in ID) that takes me about 5-7 minutes. I timed it! So I would be at the front doors at work (by example)at 7:53-7:55am.

Couple of years and some write ups later, this method sucks. Why? Like people previously said, you can't trust other elements to get you to be work on-time. Now I get to work 10-15 minutes early. I hate it. I hate work. Who likes to work?

But because I'm there 10-15 minutes before, I'm calm from not stressing out on being on time. I got time to prepare for the challenges (like that previous call center manager bulls@$#). I got some time to make a quick coffee for that second awaking. What I'm trying to say is I'm coming to work early for myself. I don't get paid enough to stress out after work over some client or responder and wouldn't want it to affect my other lifes (school, hobbies, personal, love, family). That sacrifice is worth it for me.

Answer B, for beer.

[skiiipi]

Originally Posted by twitchyzero

I'm an A as long as the employer is not adhering to the proper employment laws (paying you 4 hours if you show up for work but feeling ill half way through, time and half on holidays etc)

employer only needs to pay you for 2 hours if you go home ill part way thru your shift.
Employer may not schedule you for any shifts under 4 hours, but they can send you home after 2.

[goo3]

Originally Posted by RiceIntegraRS

I think ive been on time for work 12 times out of the whole year

morning meetings