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Carl Johnson 03-26-2011 10:23 AM

If you are an investor who would you vote for? As which party is more pro-growth, pro-business, and less regulation.

RRxtar 03-26-2011 10:38 AM

Ignatifucker said he will not entertain the idea of a coalition. If that is the case, the NDP just threw their hopes for anything on their agenda in the garbage with the non-confidence vote. If it isnt the case, what do you know, hes a liar.


I dont follow politics closely enough myself, but just like how when that luger died in the olympics and suddenly everyone with a keyboard was an engineer, I dont think many people in here really have any idea what they are talking about either, regardless of whether they think they do.


I would have to believe a big reason our revenue is down and our deficit is up (which go hand in hand) is because of the recession (revenue down) and the minority government being forced to giving into concessions to the other parties (spending up) as well as the measures taken to stimulate the economy out of the recession. Would any other party have done any better in the same situation? Hell, I dont think any other party would have done as good in the same situation. When your revenue is forced down, and your spending is forced up, theres not alot you can do. You cannot compare debt/deficit in the last 3 years in one of the largest world economic downturns with a minority government, to a majority government in some of the most prosperous times of 5-15 years ago

Manic! 03-26-2011 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by taylor192 (Post 7361974)
You do know that the Conservatives have been forced into spending money they didn't want to.

It's never there fault. Some one else made them do it. :cry:

darkfroggy 03-26-2011 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by MajinHurricane (Post 7361905)

My god, debt doesn't rise in times of a recession?

Also: inflation.

Canada came out pretty good compared to US, Greece, France...

taylor192 03-26-2011 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Manic! (Post 7362067)
It's never there fault. Some one else made them do it. :cry:

For the budget, yes it is not their fault. When they need 10 votes, those 10 votes dictate extra spending.

Graeme S 03-26-2011 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by taylor192 (Post 7362628)
For the budget, yes it is not their fault. When they need 10 votes, those 10 votes dictate extra spending.

Not to say I agree with either side 'cause honestly I trust nobody, but here's a question:

If Harper claims he has a mandate while leading a minority government and that the opposition has tried to "steal power" by forming a coalition, why does someone "with a mandate to govern the people" find himself stuck kowtowing?

It reeks of more spinning.

taylor192 03-26-2011 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Graeme S (Post 7362649)
Not to say I agree with either side 'cause honestly I trust nobody, but here's a question:

If Harper claims he has a mandate while leading a minority government and that the opposition has tried to "steal power" by forming a coalition, why does someone "with a mandate to govern the people" find himself stuck kowtowing?

It reeks of more spinning.

Your post reeks of spinning. :p

He's stuck towing the line cause he needs 10 votes to pass anything. If he proposed true Conservative values, he'd never get those 10 votes. Yet all he needs is 10 votes. If one one issue the Libs agree, then he gets 10 votes. If on the budget the NDP agrees, then he gets 10 votes. If he foolishly gives money to Quebexico, he gets 10 votes. Its not a coalition, its vote buying cause he has to buy 10 votes.

The Liberals need both the NDP and PQ, thus making deals with the devil (PQ) and giving way money (NDP) to get enough votes. That's why it is a coalition, cause they all have to agree, every time.

Manic! 03-26-2011 08:56 PM

Steven Harper needs to
instead of bribing the other parties.

Ronin 03-26-2011 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by MajinHurricane (Post 7361009)
they went contempt. If you don't know what that means click the above link.

You really want people like this running our country?

we trade "economy" for the liberty of our people.

What...are we losing some sort of basic freedom? Because economics is just about all I want the government running.

I will be voting for whoever has the economic policies that I like. I'm not really concerned about the rest.

Gridlock 03-26-2011 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by taylor192 (Post 7362665)
Your post reeks of spinning. :p

He's stuck towing the line cause he needs 10 votes to pass anything. If he proposed true Conservative values, he'd never get those 10 votes. Yet all he needs is 10 votes. If one one issue the Libs agree, then he gets 10 votes. If on the budget the NDP agrees, then he gets 10 votes. If he foolishly gives money to Quebexico, he gets 10 votes. Its not a coalition, its vote buying cause he has to buy 10 votes.

The Liberals need both the NDP and PQ, thus making deals with the devil (PQ) and giving way money (NDP) to get enough votes. That's why it is a coalition, cause they all have to agree, every time.

History lesson. The NDP have been in positions to change major aspects of Canada this way.

Petro Canada came about because someone needed the NDP's support. Looked it up...Trudeau and a minority liberal gov't.

Bonjour43MA 03-26-2011 11:12 PM

When it comes to politics this is what I follow - go for the lesser of two evils. I'm not a big follower of Canadian politics (or any politics for that matter) because at the end of the day, the voters lose no matter who's in charge. There's never a perfect leader that everyone will agree with and there's always something to complain or bitch about, so really, we can only pick the party that will "screw it up" less than the alternatives...

I think the CPC is doing an okay job running the country and it'd be interesting to see how well/bad they'd do with a majority government... the liberals and NDPs have had their hands in shaping this country for the better part of the last 20 years... so a lot of how our society functions now is a direct result of policies made during those years. Let's see what the Conservatives can do now and hope that they can steer the country in the right direction, socially and economically. I prefer my government in the middle but slightly to the right... we have too many tree-hugging lefties in this country and I don't want them running the government. :-p

Seriously, Stephen Harper, no matter how much you hate him and his party, is still looking to be a better leader than Ignatieff, Duceppe, or Layton. I can't even picture having Canada being run by any of those 3 listed... it's a scary thought to say the least.

Meowjin 03-27-2011 03:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Ronin (Post 7362697)
What...are we losing some sort of basic freedom? Because economics is just about all I want the government running.

I will be voting for whoever has the economic policies that I like. I'm not really concerned about the rest.

id rather be poor with my liberties than rich and no freedom.

Death2Theft 03-27-2011 07:25 AM

So how does having the french around expecting to be bought like prostitutes help canada again?

taylor192 03-27-2011 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Death2Theft (Post 7363019)
So how does having the french around expecting to be bought like prostitutes help canada again?

It does not.

I was glad to see the Conservatives included some NDP demands in the budget, cause it gives a nice balance of right-left and serves the majority of Canadians without buying votes from Quebexico.

I am disappointed in the NDP for allowing the government to fail. I suspect they did it cause their support in the polls was up cause support for the Greens was down, and they had a chance of winning a couple more seats - YET .... since the budget controversy the NDP have fallen by almost an equal amount that the Liberals have risen, as NDPers who are sooooo against the Conservatives jump ship to try and vote Liberal to give the Liberals the best chance of winning.

Kinda sad, cause the NDP have more to win with a Conservative minority if they allow the Conservatives to buy their vote. With the Liberals they are going to have to fight with the PQ for money, and the PQ have more seats.

taylor192 03-27-2011 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by MajinHurricane (Post 7362988)
id rather be poor with my liberties than rich and no freedom.

That is fine, yet the 8% unemployed, the many underemployed, and the middle class stretched thin would disagree with you.

Tapioca 03-27-2011 10:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RRxtar (Post 7362048)
I dont follow politics closely enough myself, but just like how when that luger died in the olympics and suddenly everyone with a keyboard was an engineer, I dont think many people in here really have any idea what they are talking about either, regardless of whether they think they do.

I didn't agree with your first point nor your last point, but I will agree with you here.

On the internet, everyone's a critic; in real life, not so much.

Klobbersaurus 03-27-2011 10:10 AM

ignatif looks like a fool with this grin and has a french accent, has ties to PQ so he wont win
layton is ndp, no need for a comment here
the only reasonable choice is harper again but that puts us back where we are now cept we wasted 200mil on the election

Ronin 03-27-2011 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MajinHurricane (Post 7362988)
id rather be poor with my liberties than rich and no freedom.

Money = freedom.

Bouncing Bettys 03-27-2011 06:40 PM

CBC has a vote compass - takes about 10 minutes answering 30 questions and then places you with the party that most aligns with your answers.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/cana...e-compass.html

edit: im still going through the survey and it seems really slow possibly because so many people are taking the survey

Gilgamesh 03-27-2011 06:59 PM

^its so hard to change an answer

tiger_handheld 03-27-2011 07:24 PM

I hope the conservatives win (majority), and Layton, Iganteiff , Duceppe STFU.

The 300mil should be deducted from the other party leaders salaries and given back to the tax payers.

JDął 03-27-2011 10:20 PM

If the Conservatives do win again, especially a majority, the opposition parties will owe a big debt to the Canadian taxpayers. I want them held accountable.

StylinRed 03-28-2011 07:58 PM

heard about this today




i thought it was going to be longer, but its not bad

Graeme S 03-28-2011 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by StylinRed (Post 7365324)
heard about this today


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbZjGGWk528


i thought it was going to be longer, but its not bad

I'm no fan of harper, but even that is stretching things way thin and on the edge of bullshit.

StylinRed 03-28-2011 08:15 PM

lol yeah

that's why i was expecting it to be a lot longer

the view count is going up though, pretty surprised



On a related note, I was watching 60minutes the other night and they did a story about "Tax Havens" for US Corporations and they were talking mainly about Ireland and... Sweden i think it was; where US companies are moving offices, etc over to those areas because they're able to save millions from taxes but Another Country they mentioned was Canada and how US corps are moving here too to get away from US taxes... so i guess thats a + for cons -_-


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