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Meowjin 04-15-2011 05:49 PM
Good.

PornMaster 04-15-2011 05:56 PM
No wonder I haven't been seeing any US fish anymore......

bloodmack 04-15-2011 06:04 PM
I guess poker is like racing, not many people acknowledge it as a sport but it still requires training and a mental physique that is unrecognized?

I still don't like how commercialized its become.. seriously who the fuck actually watches those shows late at night?

Manic! 04-15-2011 06:09 PM
I'm inVegas and http://www.absolutepoker.com/ is down but the other 2 are up.

El Bastardo 04-15-2011 08:26 PM
Paddy Power (huge UK/Ireland gaming site) dropped support for Canada a month or so ago. They hadn't had US customers since the UIGEA was introduced in 07. I guess they see us as being influenced by the US with respect to gaming.

This looks like a sign of things to come for other online gaming sites.


Oh, and there are differing laws from state-to-state with respect to casinos. They're not all native-owned or riverboat casinos. The reason the US wants to remove the option for online casinos is because they can't be taxed. Most of these places get their gaming licenses from the Caribbean for those exact reasons.

fliptuner 04-15-2011 11:22 PM
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Originally Posted by taylor192 (Post 7392350)
Read about the MIT students who beat the Black Jack tables. They found a way to minimize the risk of the luck of the draw, yet they acknowledge that without a huge financial backing they wouldn't be able to sit at the tables long enough to recoup any losses if they hit a string of bad luck.

Poker is a game, not a sport. Games have an element of chance. Thus despite how good any poker player is they are still bound by the luck of the draw. Their skill allows them to calculate the risk of that luck of the draw better than most, yet it still comes down to luck, not skill.

For everyone 1 person winning, there's a table of people losing. For every 1 person winning big, there's 10s or 100s or 1000s losing.
There's a very big difference between poker and blackjack/roulette. In the latter, one is playing against odds/probability/percentages. While odds do play a role in poker, that's not all it's based on - there's still a human factor that can be exploited.

CanadaGoose 04-16-2011 12:13 AM
Guess the owners just didn't know when to fold.

SkinnyPupp 04-16-2011 12:23 AM
Uh oh I have like $900 sitting in my absolute poker account :eek:
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goo3 04-16-2011 02:48 AM
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Originally Posted by taylor192 (Post 7392350)
Games have an element of chance. Thus despite how good any poker player is they are still bound by the luck of the draw. Their skill allows them to calculate the risk of that luck of the draw better than most, yet it still comes down to luck, not skill.

For everyone 1 person winning, there's a table of people losing. For every 1 person winning big, there's 10s or 100s or 1000s losing.
You have it wrong. The skill comes in playing the opponent, not the hand. Some ppl can read your birthday off your forehead.

liu13 04-16-2011 03:09 AM
poker is a skill believe me, it's a mental sport, if you can discipline yourself, you can make a living off this game

i did for the many months i didnt have a job

Ronin 04-16-2011 05:36 AM
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Originally Posted by bloodmack (Post 7392295)
poker is a fucking joke, takes no skill its purely based on luck. The only skill is holding a straight face. I hate the commercialization of poker these last few years.
To a certain extent that's true. There's the odd occasion where a complete unknown wins a bracelet but luck doesn't explain why, for the most part, you see the same few players make final tables every time.

Luck doesn't explain why Doyle Brunson, Stu Ungar, and Johnny Chan won back-to-back Main Events. It might explain why Phil Hellmuth has 11 bracelets though since I always see that dude flipping out after losing pots.

But poker is all about skill. If it wasn't...everyone would play poker for a living. Who the fuck wouldn't?

Ronin 04-16-2011 05:37 AM
Is this why I get an "Update required" but then can't download the update when I try to start my FullTilt client?

BNR32_Coupe 04-16-2011 07:08 AM
this thread: poker gaming site bust -> is poker a game or a sport?

Gt-R R34 04-16-2011 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by quasi (Post 7392365)
I know for every winner there is a shitload of a losers but to say that it's a soley a game of only luck like buddy did is retarded. If you keep making +EV plays overtime you will win. That doesn't mean you arern't going to have losing sessions but over time you'll come up ahead.

I personally know a few people who have made a healthy living at poker over the past 6-7 years and continue to do so. These guys even pay taxes on their winnings, have gotten mortgages and what not. I'm not talking about the guys on TV with millions of dollars, I'm talking about online grinders who make a living off other peoples mistakes.
I paid for a couple of years tuition playing online poker.

Tell me that it's all luck. LOL, my poker friends that do it for a living does exactly was quasi says plus owns more then 1 property because of their poker "luck" apparently.

He's only bitter because he loses at it. Come down to RR play with the boys @ 5/10 and tell me how your luck holds up. :)

Meowjin 04-16-2011 06:58 PM
alot of salty, lazy motherfuckers in this thread.

PornMaster 04-16-2011 09:55 PM
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Originally Posted by MajinHurricane (Post 7393891)
alot of salty, lazy motherfuckers in this thread.
salty? Lazy? Someones Jelly :fullofwin:

Yes there are lazy poker players. However there are lazy people in every single job. You can't stereotype a group of people just because ONE person.

Poker is hard and you have to have discipline and patients. That is how you win.

Look at the WSOP the shortest tournament they have is 3 days for 10 hours STRAIGHT.

You telling me sitting for 10 hours straight trying to not make a mistake is easy?


These online poker pros sit on the computer and stair at multiple screens, like 4+ tables at once. They sit there for hours n hours grinding. Its not easy

dinamix 04-16-2011 10:09 PM
I'm all in
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deep87 04-16-2011 11:11 PM
you mean your "awww eeen"

skip to 0:52

Nlkko 04-16-2011 11:56 PM
Poker is not as much a game of chance as it is a game of skill and knowledge. It's far from your average gambling game.

It's a huge business and the government obviously want their cut. They're doing it the wrong way though. Millions of people are affected by this. And there are plenty will have to declare bankruptcy if those money just disappear (it's currently frozen). It's not funny at all.

Lazy? Nah. They're not doing anybody's harm and they have to work for their money--you don't just sit at the table and money rains down your pocket everyday thanks to your "luck".

InvisibleSoul 04-17-2011 12:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Nightwalker (Post 7392259)
Woah! Looks like Party Poker and Golden Palace aren't affected. Lucky for them.
They're not "lucky"... it's because they pulled out of the US market back in 2006 when the US made it illegal for banks to transfer money to and from gambling sites.

The three that got shut down did not pull out of the US, and instead used creative methods to transfer money for players.

In the short term, your results in poker come down to luck, but in the long run it comes down to skill.

taylor192 04-17-2011 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by quasi (Post 7392365)
I know for every winner there is a shitload of a losers but to say that it's a soley a game of only luck like buddy did is retarded. If you keep making +EV plays overtime you will win. That doesn't mean you arern't going to have losing sessions but over time you'll come up ahead.

I personally know a few people who have made a healthy living at poker over the past 6-7 years and continue to do so. These guys even pay taxes on their winnings, have gotten mortgages and what not. I'm not talking about the guys on TV with millions of dollars, I'm talking about online grinders who make a living off other peoples mistakes.
I won't say its only luck, yet its mostly luck. Even with a ton of skill you can still get hand after hand of crappy cards and run out of money fast.

Over time most come out behind and only a handful come out ahead. I have a few friends that play in tourneys, and they always bag about how much they have won - yet never mention how much they have lost along the way. I compare this to buying lottery tickets. I can tell you everytime I've won a good prize with lottery tickets, yet I've probably wasted $1000s over the years on lottery tickets. I still spent $10 on Lotto Max this Fri... :) and didn't win :p

quasi 04-17-2011 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by taylor192 (Post 7394613)
I won't say its only luck, yet its mostly luck. Even with a ton of skill you can still get hand after hand of crappy cards and run out of money fast.

Over time most come out behind and only a handful come out ahead. I have a few friends that play in tourneys, and they always bag about how much they have won - yet never mention how much they have lost along the way. I compare this to buying lottery tickets. I can tell you everytime I've won a good prize with lottery tickets, yet I've probably wasted $1000s over the years on lottery tickets. I still spent $10 on Lotto Max this Fri... :) and didn't win :p
The guys who actually play for a living and win keep track of both wins and losses so they really know if their winning or losing. Guys like your friends sound like degenerates.

Edit: I should add I'm just a casual player, not pro and don't play for a living. I could tell you everyday in the last year I've played poker, how much I bought in for and what I cashed out or lost. I could also tell you if I was playing a cash game or a tournament, where I was playing and how long I played for.

Blinky 04-17-2011 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by taylor192 (Post 7394613)
I won't say its only luck, yet its mostly luck. Even with a ton of skill you can still get hand after hand of crappy cards and run out of money fast.

Over time most come out behind and only a handful come out ahead. I have a few friends that play in tourneys, and they always bag about how much they have won - yet never mention how much they have lost along the way. I compare this to buying lottery tickets. I can tell you everytime I've won a good prize with lottery tickets, yet I've probably wasted $1000s over the years on lottery tickets. I still spent $10 on Lotto Max this Fri... :) and didn't win :p
Most of the time I find your posts well-supported with reason, even if I don't agree with them. However, the bolded part above shows me without a doubt that, on this topic, you are speaking from a position of complete ignorance.

InvisibleSoul 04-17-2011 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Blinky (Post 7394676)
Most of the time I find your posts well-supported with reason, even if I don't agree with them. However, the bolded part above shows me without a doubt that, on this topic, you are speaking from a position of complete ignorance.
Yeah, I would have to agree. Those that play poker for a living (usually those with skill) will never run out of money, because they know how to manage their bankroll. They will never play in stakes high enough that any short term run of bad luck will wipe them out.

I mean, there have definitely been cases where someone runs extremely cold for a fairly long period of time and loses way more often than the odds would dictate, but it can't go on forever. Eventually their luck will turn and they'll run hot.

!LittleDragon 04-17-2011 10:22 PM
I never got into poker BECAUSE there's skill involved. I don't see it as a game of chance, it's not gambling to me if you can influence the outcome.


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