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cliffhanger33 · 04-16-2011, 07:31 PM

Just wondering what are the top business schools we have in Canada? I know UBC Sauders Business School and SFU that we have here in BC are already pretty good.
I am aware that U of Western Ontario Richard Ivey has the best commerce program in Canada, as well as Queens, Rotman in UT, and other schools east of Canada.
If you were to rank top undergrad and MBA business schools in Canada only, how would you guys rank it and why?

le fu · 04-16-2011, 07:38 PM

If you're trying to decide which school to go to, just go east.

Nobody really cares about Sauder or SFU. Well, except Sauder students. Most of whom think they're really attending Harvard.

jackmeister · 04-16-2011, 07:55 PM

what do you want to learn in business school? different places offer different things. if you're just going in because you feel compelled to have a degree, then there is no difference between all the universities. I think UWO was regarded as "better" but its more of what you make out of it.

for MBA.. its mostly about the name of the school and the 3 letters behind your name, and the people you meet. if you have undergrad business then you do not learn much more from MBA

Geoc · 04-16-2011, 08:02 PM

Heard Wilfrid Laurier has a pretty reputable business faculty.

Razor Ramon HG · 04-16-2011, 08:05 PM

My two business professors graduated from Richard Ivey.

twitchyzero · 04-16-2011, 08:08 PM

Szeto · 04-16-2011, 08:30 PM

^what he said

haha13 · 04-16-2011, 08:32 PM

depends on what you want to do after you get your degree.

cliffhanger33 · 04-16-2011, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by haha13

depends on what you want to do after you get your degree.

maybe into finance

flagella · 04-16-2011, 08:51 PM

Richard Ivey or Rotman I would say. You want to go for the one that's globally recognized. Having said that, if you can manage being top students here in SFU or UBC, you will still be well off. If you plan to remain average, then go for the one that's more well known.

cliffhanger33 · 04-16-2011, 09:04 PM

I know ivey is well known in canada, but hows ivey known globally? i know UT and McGill are rlly well known globally but is U of WO recognized, let alone ivey? I mean of course its not for the "name" but it cud also be a factor when choosing schools. What i find pretty annoying is the fact that in Ivey, they require u to take 2 years of non business courses with Richard Ivey status in U of WO and on the 3rd year,when you maintain at least 80 percent average, thats when you actually enter Richard Ivey business school. I guess in a way, its good as this way makes you a more well-rounded student, but it could also be a hassle too.

StylinRed · 04-16-2011, 09:35 PM

HEC Montreal is ranked pretty high on some rankings list

Forbes had it in the top 10 Business schools outside of the USA etc

Financial Times says the MSc finance is top in the world etc (different i know but something to think about)

and I hear the Tuition is low

Richard Ivey, Sauder, Schulich of course

I've got 1 cousin @ HEC and 1 who just gradded Richard Ivey; the one who gradded Ivey can't find a job

haha13 · 04-16-2011, 10:08 PM

i would suggest you get your bachelor's from a local uni then transfer to UT and get MBA then you can do finances with the big companies at toronto

flagella · 04-16-2011, 10:30 PM

You know, when it comes to business schools, it's really about YOU making full use of networking event and having the ability and charisma to network with professionals. I hear sentences like "he/she gradded from xxxx uni but still can't find a job." This really doesn't tell anything about the school.

kknater · 04-16-2011, 10:59 PM

Are you planning on working outside of Canada after you grad? cuz if not, the globally thing plays no part.

Its impossible to decide which school fits you best if you dont even know what you want out of it

butter_sashimi · 04-16-2011, 11:35 PM

I graduated from Rotman (undergrad) and I don't feel any more special than any other graduate. There is some pride in where you went to school but I don't recall my old classmates being overly proud or cocky about it. In fact, no one really cared. Everyone was preoccupied in what to do after getting their degrees which is just the next step in their life/blossoming career.

cliffhanger33 · 04-16-2011, 11:47 PM

What about if you hv plans going to Asia to work, such as China or HK, or w/e, then whats globally recognized more?

Nlkko · 04-17-2011, 12:20 AM

UBC is a research intensive school. Unless you're into research, you won't get the most out of it.

The average person outside Canada wouldn't even know wtf is SFU or Ivey. Go to UBC and McGill if you want international prestige--like if you plan to work in China or something.

As for undergrad, if you can go to any school, preferably in the East near financial centers such as Toronto and NYC or a booming area such as Alberta. Take into account your budget as well as do your homework on campus life, weather, local community, etc. Then think about MBA after you work for a few years. Not much point of doing an MBA anywhere else but Ivy League. Schools can claim they have the best program but it could mean shit. A target school with a big alumni and professional network will always yield better grad employment result.

Avoid all the stories like: "I got a cousin went to Ivey and my other cousin went to Queens and the Queens guy can't find a job". There are many reason one might be unemployed. Look into statistics if you're interested in grad's employment number.

jameswift · 04-17-2011, 08:51 AM

MBA isn't worth the paper it's written on these days unless it's from a top school. Many people make the mistake of taking business as an undergrad and then taking an MBA. The amount you learn is pointless in my experience and the time plus salary increase has been described in magazines for the last few years.

Simply put, the cost and time does not pay itself back to the average graduate of an MBA program.

If you really want to be a big player you have to think about hitting up a teir one school and one that will allow you to network with the right people. Harvard, Yale, and Wharton are great schools not just because of their reputation, but the network.

If your plan is to go to New York and work in the Financial mecca of the world, your chances are much more defined going to a high profile school. The people you meet will blow your mind.

I never went to an Ivy school although I did spend half of one semester with a friend living on campus at Havard. The school was like any other but the drive of the students was unreal. The level of competition in the business program actually made me want to go back to school. It's what inspired me initially to do my CFA.

I'm not bashing UBC because I'm sure there are a lot of great networking opportunities there as well. There are a lot of Asian families with money that are sending their kids to Sauder so the network might still be good for those wanting to work more in the Asia Pacific (an area that is obviously growing).

I think you're better off being a networking machine in general and leave the MBA on the shelf.

cliffhanger33 · 04-17-2011, 01:39 PM

that is true, in the end it is all about networking and who you have connections with to do business with
in a way, business is never a solid and stable career, theres always ups and downs, and risks to take

zonda_s · 04-17-2011, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by le fu

If you're trying to decide which school to go to, just go east.

Nobody really cares about Sauder or SFU. Well, except Sauder students. Most of whom think they're really attending Harvard.

As a 4th year Sauder student, I couldn't say that any better!

My prof even put it this way: most Sauder students think they are entitled to get the job they want. SFU students fight for the job they want.

cliffhanger33 · 04-17-2011, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by zonda_s

As a 4th year Sauder student, I couldn't say that any better!

My prof even put it this way: most Sauder students think they are entitled to get the job they want. SFU students fight for the job they want.

Well from stats, is that true? How many sauders students actually come out with a good job ? where do most go to work?

MG1 · 04-17-2011, 02:12 PM

Whoa.......... whoa, whoa................. where's our resident star of wonder, star of night, star with royal beauty bright.......... from Sauder?

I forgot his name, but he was, Westward leading, still proceeding, guiding us mere mortals to the perfect light. He was a rap star or something.

I'm surprised he hasn't graced this thread with his holiness...........

I'm just teasing................

Sid Vicious · 04-17-2011, 02:24 PM

definitely here

drunkrussian · 04-17-2011, 04:28 PM

overall nobody really cares what school you go to - it's not about the degree but your skills, experience and value. The school just provides the degree.

With that said, i don't know about outside BC, but when it comes to BC sfu vs. ubc, the former will give you a far better chance to get some really good work experience in, from the classes you take as well as the programs offered. This will maximize your value as an employee, like i said.

If you're looking for to go international and are just looking for the name - yeah then maybe UBC is better...although I'd still argue it's more about what you bring to the table.