Avalon is a car, it's not a van with 6 seats.
http://fp.images.autos.msn.com/meris...y/c452852a.jpg

Lexus didn't have 20+ years of bad build quality to contend with before they launched. Sure, Toyota didn't have the reputation for being an automotive powerhouse that they do now but they still built good cars.

Hyundai, however, doesn't have the brand strength to claim that this is a truly great car without proving itself first. Sure, I'd like them to succeed but it'll be a few years before I drop more than 10k on something Hyundai makes.

Hell, based on past experiences as a Hyundai owner I'd sooner drive a SsangYong

werd


just because OMG they all of a sudden come up with some decent designs doesnt mean shit. Car manufactures dont turn from shit to god like overnight.

Any company can dress up the exterior and do some touch up here and there, borrow some design from others and call it a day. There is more depth to it than that.


At the end of the day, a hyundai is still a hyundai. Anyone with some intelligence will know dropping $50g + taxes on a kdm car is retarded.
And those who buys it....well...they are either korean or white folks. The end

I'd rather buy a "Genesis" brand over a Hyundai. They should've used that "Genesis" brand and created a luxury division separately like what Lexus and Acura is. A majority of the market would perceive this separate branding them much differently.

I wouldn't go as far as to say that they came up with designs, looks to me that they are just taking design ideas from all of the other major manufacturers and mashing them together to create "their own design"

Like the Equus, looks like they took a Maxima, S-class and Accord and mashed them together to come up with this.

i dun really mind hyundai, even though i would never drop moeny on a new car (just not in that stage of my life yet, i am still hella poor lol), but in a few years, i wouldnt mind buying a 2nd hand gensis coupe, i think they came along way, and I think their cars are gettin better and better.

for $40-50k i wouldnt, but used for half the price? sure why not, the 4.6 v8 spanks more than half the cars on the street anyways, same goes for the 3.8...

plus the consumer target was aimed towards older folks, not tuner revsceners hence the mindset may be totally different, therefore asking this on revscene may not provide much? just my 0.02

anyways since someone uploaded a modified one...
http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/a...ta/genet-6.jpg
http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/a...ta/genet-7.jpg
http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/a...ta/genet-2.jpg
http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/a..._272558_11.jpg
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well jpark, you own a hyundai so your opinion could be a bit biased.

it might be faster than half the cars out there, but at the end of the day, in your driveway sits a 50k hyundai.

they should stick to doing what they are good at, making cheap economical cars. or better yet, make good quality small eco cars and then branch out into bigger sedans. seems like they are trying to hard to keep up with the luxury brands where instead should focus doing something they are good at.

last time i checked, ANY car thats lowered with a set of expensive rims will look better than stock...HRE/Iforged/DPE/VOLK/ADVAN your point?




its still a kork car



he is korean and he owns a korean car


posting a genesis with rims does not gain any brownie points my friend



BTW faster dont mean shit


does anyone gives a damn if you see a 500whp EF civic? no not really, because ppl are gonna say its still a 20 years old piece of shit, and its a civic


And just for your information. GS350/E350 starts around $55-57g, id rather shell out an extra $10g and get a PROPER luxury car


Not some kimchi made overpriced guinness....i mean genesis

lol.... u mad or something dude? sounds like you're pissed off or something

nah

i just think they are way ahead of themself, thinking with their new design they can sell to the general market with that price tag

I just checked lexus.ca

new 2011 GS350 starts $54g

premium package is only $4g more

ultra premium package is $8g more

Sure its not the V8 model, but id settle for a 300hp car thats quiet, reliable, great resale value and worth the price tag while sacrficing 100hp less with the beauty and stability of AWD

well swearing and saying the f word in every single sentence does make it seem like you are mad... unless thats how you talk regularly lol

but yeah, even i admitted in my post, i wouldnt even consider buying the genesis bran new if i had the money, much better choices out there. i know its a little outdated but for me personally id go for a g37s sedan

my bad, i apologize for that


:)


I think if they set their MSRP a bit lower, it'd attract more people and make them hesitate in terms of best bang for the buck.


genesis coupe, fully loaded 2.0T or 3.8 either one fully loaded comes to around $32-38g depending which model.

For that money a lot of people would aim for GTi, WRX, Lancer Ralliart, or mazdaspeed 3

anyways... so the overall conses is: NO, we would not buy this Hyundai. Thread solved.

if I had 30g, I would take a look at the genesis coupe 2.0T with the brembo brakes.

if I had 50g, I would not step into a hyundai dealership.

the best bang for the buck theory only applies to compact and mid sized cars.


when you go into the upper class, ppl generally don't care about best bang for the buck.

ex. ppl would buy lambo and porsche over gtr

^

ya but people refers GTR or maybe even ZR-1 as best bang for the buck theory because for that price, you can compete with exotics.


Hyundai tried to convince people with that..Eqqus or something like that which is $ 70-80 grand vehicle that it is the best bang for the buck full size luxury vehicle that can be just as good as LS/7/S class

hmm interesting


http://www.egmcartech.com/2008/11/13...-airbags-fail/


The Koreans have gotten their allocation of the new 2009 Hyundai Genesis Coupes and it seems like one customer felt his Genesis Coupe could push the limits a little more than he thought possible. Needless to say that he learned the hard way by crashing into the concrete base of a metal light pole.

As you can see from the images, the 2.0T Genesis Coupe you see here was the only car involved in the accident leading us to believe that the driver lost control and the Brembo brakes of the Genesis weren’t strong enough to slow him down.

What’s more interesting is that the airbags failed to deploy. You can see that the front driver side received the most damage. Wonder what Hyundai has to say about this.

that's from 2008.

BTW, everyone knows this in Korea but the hyundai/kia that's being made and sold IN korea for korean customers are SHIT. Crappy standard options, built with crappy material and OVERPRICED.

there are many problems with their new hyundai/kia but the company does not take proper responsibilities.

as for hyundai/kia being sold overseas, i don't see a problem in getting them.

(and yes, i'm korean :D)

thats a damn good looking car

looks like a merc, murder it out put merc badges on and bitches will love i lmao

I guess I'm one of the few that has had a rare opportunity to take an extended test drive in some of the cars mentioned in this thread.

The Genesis 4.6 sedan is a very impressive car. Bank vault like sound deadening. Effortless power. Strong brakes and a sumptuous interior. It felt much more like an S-Class, 7 series competitor rather than an E or 5 competitor. Inevitably, if you drove the car and were shopping this market I can guarantee you would be hard-pressed to find a better car for the money. The $55k base model GS350 AWD feels downright underpowered and lacking in tech compared to the Genesis. Same with a $54k 528i.

Personally, I agree with whoever said that this isn't the forum to ask these types of questions as this isn't the target market for the this vehicle. However, that being said, there is a lot of ignorance and image-consciousness going against the Hyundai from the few strong responders I have read here.

As a car enthusiast, I prefer to choose my cars based on their inherent qualities as opposed to how others would view me or my decisions.

I look at those people concerned about image as being the sheep. If something is good, why wait for other people to adopt it first? Why not be the brave person who had the brains and vision to see something beyond it's label? Some people really need to grow a pair when it comes to how to spend their $$$.

Or at the very least try to have a qualified opinion before offering it.

Kev

yea i believe the passenger airbag was an 'option' for some cars untill 2008 era i think in korea? or is that still the case.. yet chrome moldings, piano black finish, leather seats and etc were pretty much basic for alot of cars.... pretty sad how people value material goods more than their own safety when it comes to cars there

buncha hyndia hatin sheep

going korea next week gonna check out some hyundais lol :alone:

Do I need to cite the fiery crash that killed a California police officer and his entire family while driving an ES350 with a stuck accelerator pedal?

Things can be sensationalized about every manufacturer.

Do me a favour, drive a Genesis before you try to support a weak argument with an even weaker supporting point.

Kev