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So it was said they built a replica of the mansion at a US base so they could practice the raid over and over in different weather and with different numbers of guards. What are they going to do with this "replica" mansion now that they don't need it anymore?
I think they should send it to Disneyland and make a theme ride out of it. You can do your own raids and the first person to get Osama wins. Or maybe make into a paintball arena.
lol @ all the professors and Nobel prize winners in this thread
hahahaha so true. Yet they back up their argument based on inflation and PP etc.. They don't even know the simplest things we buy such as food is a government subsidized product. This applies to both USA and China.
WOW.....
Rush Limbaugh on Osama bin Laden's death: 'Thank God for President Obama'
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Rush Limbaugh began his radio show Monday morning praising President Obama for his leadership in the demise of Al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden.
In his nationally syndicated radio show, Limbaugh who has been one of Obama's fiercest critics, gave the commander-in-chief all the glory in the successful mission that ended the life of Public Enemy No. 1.
"Ladies and gentlemen, we need to open the program today by congratulating President Obama," Limbaugh said. "President Obama has done something extremely effective and when he does, this needs to be pointed out. President Obama has continued the Bush policies of keeping a military presence in the Middle East. He did not scrub the mission to get Bin Laden. In fact, it may be that President Obama single-handedly came up with the technique in order to pull this off."
"I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy. Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that."
--Martin Luther King, Jr
"I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy. Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that."
--Martin Luther King, Jr
That's easy to say when you're not involved. If you lost someone close in 9/11, you'd want bin Laden dead in the worst possible way.
That's easy to say when you're not involved. If you lost someone close in 9/11, you'd want bin Laden dead in the worst possible way.
They are the words of a man who had witnessed and experienced hateful violent/deadly acts at the hands of those who most in that situation would consider his enemies and eventually died for those words. MLK defined the word "involved"
Anyone else scared for the next step?
I believe that they chose the time & date to reveal osama's death and that there will be an imminent "attack" on north american soil (probably nuclear... remember all those rumors of nuclear weapons planted in buildings?) which can only mean another war/invasion and the removal of any "rights" or "freedoms" we have left.
They are the words of a man who had witnessed and experienced hateful violent/deadly acts at the hands of those who most in that situation would consider his enemies and eventually died for those words. MLK defined the word "involved"
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Originally Posted by MoBettah
Then you've truly missed the meaning of Dr. King's quote.
Those words were spoken for situations just like this one.
I'm not saying that Dr. King said those words lightly. He experienced hatred and antagonism that very few of us ever have or will.
My statement was directed at people who use quotes like this when they have lost nothing themselves. It's very easy to say violence only begets more violence when you're not involved. We can all be hippies and say peace and love but I know for a fact that if I lost any family or friend to a murderer, I wouldn't stop until I tear that man apart with my bare hands.
I have the utmost respect for Martin Luther King and others like him who can rise above these things but I really don't think most people that say things like they wouldn't kill bin Laden are really grasping how they would feel if that situation was brought to their doorstep.
We can all be hippies and say peace and love but I know for a fact that if I lost any family or friend to a murderer, I wouldn't stop until I tear that man apart with my bare hands.
yes, I'm sure you would. You've been watching too much 24, Taken, Bourne Identity.
How do you 'know for a fact' when you yourself haven't been in a situation like that? You'd actually murder a murderer, by pulling his limbs away from his body with your BARE hands! Very nice! Are you even strong enough to do such a thing?
You claim that people who choose peace (who are 'hippies' apparently), don't know, or haven't lost anything etc, but how do you even know that?
For example, here's someone who was 'involved'
As the father of a 23-year-old son murdered by Osama bin Laden's suicide killers on September 11, I understand the joy expressed by so many Americans today on the death of this monster. But my thoughts dwell more on my son, James, and the thousands of bin Laden's victims; not just the dead of 9/11 but soldiers killed during the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, the Cole attacks, the embassy bombings, Mumbai, and on and on.
So although I don't disapprove of the patriotism and happiness expressed around the nation in the past day, I can't say that I feel the desire to participate in the celebration. Bin Laden's death won't bring James back.
The word "closure" is often used at a time like this, when talking about the loss of a family member, and I suppose that is the way for sympathetic people to show their concern. They are expressing their hope that the victims' families will somehow reach a condition where the pain is lessened by the passage of time.
For me, that pain is as strong as ever. There is never "closure."
Jamie worked for Cantor Fitzgerald, and it was his first job out of college. He had worked there for about six months. He had been a presidential scholar and attended Washington and Lee University. He worked on the 103rd floor.
Beyond that, it is useless to try to describe my son. Just as words can never express my loss, they are equally useless to try to show those who didn't know him how special he was. It is enough to say that he was a gentleman and a gentle man.
I know that I speak for other 9/11 family members when I say that we are in a different place from those who experienced terrorism as attacks on their nation rather than as attacks on themselves.
I also know that I am expressing an almost universally held view among the families that our government failed us on 9/11. Although some, probably a very few, are convinced that the Bush administration "knew" in advance of the time, place and method of the 9/11 attacks, they are the tiniest and most irrational minority. The rest of us know that widespread incompetence and corruption among those officials were the cause.
Yet, no federal official has been held to account. Not one from the Clinton administration. Not one of the Bush administration officials who ignored the Gore Commission's recommendations for improved airline security, nor anyone from the State Department whose officials, in violation of law, regulation and common sense, issued visas for the asking to the 9/11 terrorists.
So, no, I can't celebrate the death of bin Laden. Too many Americans, who were paid to protect this country but failed to, have skated free of blame.
When they are called to account, and when proper measures have been taken to protect us from future attacks, then I will celebrate.
The whole 'eye for an eye' approach is frankly barbaric, and outdated.
the US is celebrating excessively for the death of just one of the leaders in al qaeda. the war on terrorism isnt over, at least the death of osama will not significantly hinder their operations. Besides, wasnt osama gonna die sooner or later? Over the years ive heard news reports of him becoming ill and whatnot... if the al qaeda were to retaliate for revenge... pretty sure the partyin' will slow down to a halt.
From 9/11 To Osama Bin Laden's Death, Congress Spent $1.28 Trillion In War On Terror.
That's a pretty shitty return on investment, if you ask me.
Look at the balance sheets from a few of the major oil companies
Think of all the sales of guns/ammo/armor
And not meaning to sound like a crazy conspiracy theorist but the US has made crazy amounts of $$$ from Opium produced in the middle east.
You don't think "they" would go through all this just to lose money do you????
yes, I'm sure you would. You've been watching too much 24, Taken, Bourne Identity.
How do you 'know for a fact' when you yourself haven't been in a situation like that? You'd actually murder a murderer, by pulling his limbs away from his body with your BARE hands! Very nice! Are you even strong enough to do such a thing?
You claim that people who choose peace (who are 'hippies' apparently), don't know, or haven't lost anything etc, but how do you even know that?
For example, here's someone who was 'involved'
The whole 'eye for an eye' approach is frankly barbaric, and outdated.
I claim that people who aren't involved and post Dr. King quotes about violence may think differently if they lost someone. It annoys me in the same way that people say RIP to Vancouver gangsters who get themselves killed and people don't think they deserve to die because "all life is precious" and similar sentiments.
Now can the US shift their focus and invade somewhere that will lower our gas prices?
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yes, I'm sure you would. You've been watching too much 24, Taken, Bourne Identity.
