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roastpuff 05-14-2011 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Timpo (Post 7433169)
^ what's the price of diesel though? last time I remember it was like 10% more than gasoline.

Nope. I would say diesel is about on par with regular right now.

Leopold Stotch 05-14-2011 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by lllggg (Post 7432585)
diesel for highway.
hybrid for city.
both cost 25-30k base.
why dont you buy a corolla.
its cheaper.

based on your 50k ann avg, lets do some math.
golf tdi does (on paper) 973km per tank. 55l tank.
corolla does (on paper) 735km per tank. 50l tank.

now, do 50k km, divided by how many km per tank, times how much it cost to fill each tank.
(i used 1.33 for diesel, 1.40 for gas).

golf: (50000/973) x $73 per tank = $3 751 per year on diesel
corolla: (50000/735) x $70 per tank = $4 761 on gas per year.

$4 761 - $3 751 = $965 youre saving each year if you buy a golf.
however, the difference in the cost of the cars is about $10 000 give or take.
so in theory it would take you 10 years of driving 50k per year for the golf to pay itself. i used the posted avg of both cars.

yes i took the time to do the math for you.

you have to factor in the fact that OP could have gotten a cheaper car, but does want to spend more money for comfort and luxury. i mean a camry is the same as a es350 right?

Timpo 05-14-2011 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by lllggg (Post 7432585)
diesel for highway.
hybrid for city.
both cost 25-30k base.
why dont you buy a corolla.
its cheaper.

based on your 50k ann avg, lets do some math.
golf tdi does (on paper) 973km per tank. 55l tank.
corolla does (on paper) 735km per tank. 50l tank.

now, do 50k km, divided by how many km per tank, times how much it cost to fill each tank.
(i used 1.33 for diesel, 1.40 for gas).

golf: (50000/973) x $73 per tank = $3 751 per year on diesel
corolla: (50000/735) x $70 per tank = $4 761 on gas per year.

$4 761 - $3 751 = $965 youre saving each year if you buy a golf.
however, the difference in the cost of the cars is about $10 000 give or take.
so in theory it would take you 10 years of driving 50k per year for the golf to pay itself. i used the posted avg of both cars.

yes i took the time to do the math for you.

you forgot to put insurance/maintenance cost too... Corolla would be cheaper to insure/maintain

if that's the case it would take well over 10 years to pay off...

also, what's the resale value? Toyota or VW?

k3mps 05-14-2011 04:16 PM

i only calculated in the cost of gas.
i thought he would only be interested in that haha.

Timpo 05-14-2011 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by frozen (Post 7432935)

I'm a bit confused by this...the MSRP of CT200h is $30,950...

what can you buy for $10,950? even the cheapest Nissan Versa would cost you $12,898.

k3mps 05-14-2011 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by frozen (Post 7432935)

lol timpo's right
is you're talking 40k, i think you're thinking of the hs.

lfyshi 05-16-2011 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Timpo (Post 7433534)
I'm a bit confused by this...the MSRP of CT200h is $30,950...

what can you buy for $10,950? even the cheapest Nissan Versa would cost you $12,898.

The base CT has nothing you called luxury. It has no heated seats, no sunroof, 6-speaker, manual seats, no HID, cheaper headlights, boring 16" wheels.

The Package B @ MSRP $37,XXX would be a good choice.

too_slow 05-17-2011 10:54 AM

Having driven a 3G Prius extensively from Kelowna to Trail and back, I would probably lean towards a TDI. The Prius is fairly quiet and economical, WHEN YOU ARE NOT TRYING TO DRIVE UP A HWY WITH HILLS. Trying to pass lorries on a single lane hwy (Hwy33) is scary as S*IT with this thing, because it absolutely lacks power. BTW, the engine is fairly harsh when you're going pedal to the metal.

I have test driven the CT, and the noise insulation is definitely better, but it can only do so much once you're doing full throttle up a slope. Try taking one for a test drive at Port Moody Lexus, and go up one of the hilly roads (i.e. Herritage Mtn, Westwood Plateau, or even up SFU) to give you an idea to see if the performance is acceptable. A TDI will not have the same issues with a fully loaded car climbing up a hill.

too_slow 05-17-2011 10:57 AM

BTW, the best deal I can find on the CT was $300 off and no doc fees at Regency Lexus.
I haven't bothered with a A3 TDI, because a Golf TDI has a newer chassis and has better interior appointments and sound insulation(!). It also has a much better NAV (if you buy a RNS510 used.. the Audi MMI thing is a joke on the A3).

The Golf TDI Highline is $4k cheaper and comes with real leather (Audi uses very disgraceful looking leatherette. The CT's 'Nu..smth' Leatherette is much much better)

too_slow 05-17-2011 10:59 AM

BTW, you can get a fully loaded Prius V for the price of a base CT. The Prius has a panaromic sunroof with a solar panel that powers up the interior fans (I think this was first introduced on the A8's ?

It also has every single tech feature you can dream of. The only thing that it lacks is a giant Lexus badge.

k3mps 05-17-2011 02:19 PM

hey too_slow, hows the vdub reliability? i see you own quite a few.
i wanna get a golf tdi, but many of my friends own vw's from all years, and they have had all kinds of problems

Presto 05-17-2011 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by too_slow (Post 7436959)
The Prius is fairly quiet and economical, WHEN YOU ARE NOT TRYING TO DRIVE UP A HWY WITH HILLS. Trying to pass lorries on a single lane hwy (Hwy33) is scary as S*IT with this thing, because it absolutely lacks power. BTW, the engine is fairly harsh when you're going pedal to the metal

You can get the power you need, as long as you have a decent state of charge in the battery. For typical driving, you'll rarely run into to red zone. Extended hill climbs will deplete the battery. You'll be running on all internal combustion once that happens. Plus, some of those horses will be diverted to sustaining/charging the battery.

The Coquilhalla definitely eats up the battery on those long, steep sections, but I can usually maintain 100km/h after the charge is used up. The key to (extended) hill climbing the Prius is understanding the way the system works, and planning ahead. As long as you have some charge, that will give you the extra torque you need to pass slow semis.

oldsnail 05-17-2011 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by lllggg (Post 7433017)
just curious, what car can do 1500 km on $60 bucks of gas

i often hit 1000 kms a tank when i had my 00 honda insight.. only 5spd hybrid yo.. i usually fill $30 or so baak then

k3mps 05-17-2011 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by oldsnail (Post 7437360)
i often hit 1000 kms a tank when i had my 00 honda insight.. only 5spd hybrid yo.. i usually fill $30 or so baak then

ya the old insight was amazing on gas.
but i was thinking of new cars (2011/2012 models)

too_slow 05-17-2011 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by lllggg (Post 7437137)
hey too_slow, hows the vdub reliability? i see you own quite a few.
i wanna get a golf tdi, but many of my friends own vw's from all years, and they have had all kinds of problems

My experience with VW has been very positive. I have never been stranded. The only 'issue' I had was with a broken thermostat on the 16V (this car was family owned since brand new, everything else was 2nd hand.)

Mind you, the VW's that I've owned are pretty 'simple' in terms of electronics. Most of the horror stories are with newer Passats and Tourags, so really YMMV.

TDi's are fairly robust. However, there is a risk that if you use subpar diesel, your HPFP (hey, it's not only a problem with bmws!) will explode and your entire fuel system will need to be replaced.

Presto: You can only plan your route so much if you drive on Hwy 33 (think Big White, but even further.) The entire drive is single-lane uphill for the most part.

k3mps 05-17-2011 10:14 PM

thank's for your reply, i appreciate it :D


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