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I love it when people give the "I need a phone that communicates with others..." reasoning...
When I used BBM, in its early days around 2006, that's when it was actually being used for its original/primary function...For businesses to have their employees stay in contact with each other using a quick, open interface through a reliable and organized structure. Keep in mind at this time, SMS messaging was rather expensive and not very popular.
Nowadays, as far as I am concerned, BBM is NOT used for that purpose. People use it as a substitute for text messaging. Why? What is the advantage? You get to know when someone reads your message! Oh no....
So you want to communicate with people? You chose a Blackberry device. What makes more sense...sending OTHER BLACKBERRY USERS ONLY a BBM or being able to send anybody with a cellular phone or computer a SMS? I would think the latter is a more suitable choice. Especially since it does not rely on a data connection and is far cheaper (international or not.)
Although I've been anti-iPhone most of my life, everything other than Blackberry has moved forwards. Even Nokia was smart enough to realize that Symbian and Maemo were a dying technology and made the smart move to merge for a better market. Blackberry will eventually do the same. After all, when a choice is given to have a phone that communicates well, is aesthetically pleasing, provides better multimedia, and has hardware to support today's growing needs vs. a phone that simply has an ADDITIONAL method of communicating to a SELECT few people...I'm pretty sure most people would and ARE choosing the first choice, whether they need all those features or not.
^wow,you are completely ignoring the real benefit of a BB in a business setting:
true push email, exchange integration, and rock solid security
to only limit it to a discussion regarding communcations to sms/bbm and not even mention EMAIL is shortsighted at best.
i've been using a bb for work since a 7290 and do not find their devices unreliable. to the people who find it crashing all the time/resets, maybe you should stop installing shitty apps then? or find ones that work
do i think their hardware is outdated? yes. unreliable? absolutely not. as a communcation device, it is unparalled
btw, i do own a SGS as my personal phone, and i pretty much just use it for a browser, youtube and wifi hotspot. Everything else I do on my work BB, especially communicating with my friends
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^wow,you are completely ignoring the real benefit of a BB in a business setting:
true push email, exchange integration, and rock solid security
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Originally Posted by parm104
When I used BBM, in its early days around 2006, that's when it was actually being used for its original/primary function...For businesses to have their employees stay in contact with each other using a quick, open interface through a reliable and organized structure.
LOL! Ya, you're right, I ignored the real benefit of BBM in business... "quick, open interface through a reliable and organized structure" doesn't cover any of the things you said...
Also you're mixing BBM and "Push Email" as if they're the same entity. The Blackberry Messenger Service and Blackberry's Email Service are two complete and separate features unrelated to each other.
"True push email" is a pretty standard feature on all phones nowadays...
Also, as I mentioned earlier, Blackberry's popularity in our society today is due to BBM. That's the classic debate that has been going on over the last few years...To BBM or to NOT to BBM...MANY people say "if BBM came to another phone, they would ditch Blackberry..." Again meaning the only thing keeping them there is the BBM messaging service.
i said the real benefit of a BB in a business setting (perhaps i should've specified corporate?), not the real benefit of BBM
in case i wasn't clear enough, i'm talking about the actual device, not an application within the device
and no, true push email is not standard on most phones besides a BB
btw, there is a difference between "push" and "pull" or "Sync", which IS standard on all other phones. how long does it take to receive an email from other phones? is it only a few seconds like a bb?
if you are only focused on the consumer market, then i agree, there may be better options for ther bells and whistles, but they do NOT communicate better
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i said the real benefit of a BB in a business setting (perhaps i should've specified corporate?), not the real benefit of BBM
and no, true push email is not standard on most phones besides a BB
btw, there is a difference between "push" and "pull" or "Sync", which IS standard on all other phones. how long does it take to receive an email from other phones? is it only a few seconds like a bb?
I understood what you said and replied stating that everything you had said, I had already stated in the post above...the same post which you disagreed to. I stated that Blackberry's benefit was to BUSINESS users who wanted a solid, stable and efficient communication structure..."The structure" isn't the hardware itself or the applications of using BBM, it's the BIS (Blackberry Internet Service) that creates a Blackberry NETWORK.
And I'm glad you brought up "push" vs "pull" and "sync"...Push technology is a SOFTWARE feature, not a hardware feature as I'm sure you know...Granted Blackberry has been using the Push System before most if not all companies out there...push is definitely something that is standard on all the MAJOR competitors...It has been a standard on the iPhone since iOS 3.0 and on Android devices since before Froyo. Even now on Windows Mobile 7, you have 3 different ways of using Push Notifications..In my room where I do most of my work, I have an iPhone 4, Google Nexus One and a Blackberry Torch all hooked up to the same GMail account....When I receive an email, I hear them simultaneously within seconds from each other...(They're always on and connected to a 3G or WiFi network)
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Originally Posted by RRxtar
hows plugging in your fancy entertainment phones every 7 hours working for you?
i like my buttons
As for having to plug in a multimedia phone in every 7 hours...Yeah, these devices these days are awful when it comes to battery stamina. Using my Android devices, I get about 1.5 days max of usage. However, new Blackberries are NOT any better.
Blackberry 9700:
Battery Standard battery, Li-Ion 1500 mAh
Stand-by Up to 408 h
Talk time Up to 6 h
iPhone 4:
Battery Standard battery, Li-Po 1420mAh
Stand-by Up to 300 h (2G) / Up to 300 h (3G)
Talk time Up to 14 h (2G) / Up to 7 h (3G)
The Bold 9700 has one of the best battery stamina's out of the current Blackberry line-up...
I understood what you said and replied stating that everything you had said, I had already stated in the post above...the same post which you disagreed to. I stated that Blackberry's benefit was to BUSINESS users who wanted a solid, stable and efficient communication structure..."The structure" isn't the hardware itself or the applications of using BBM, it's the BIS (Blackberry Internet Service) that creates a Blackberry NETWORK.
ah, makes sense now, no wonder you don't understand how blackberries are used in the business world. BIS? Pffft, that's for kids. I'm talking about BES (Blackberry Enteprise Server)
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First of all, thanks to all the fail giving people -- I merely thought the video was funny as it was in Vietnamese. If I made a handful of people laugh, then so be it.
With regards to the smartphone/blackberry debate:
The Blackberry is the ultimate communication tool for professionals working in large corporations. In Enterprise mode, the company-given Blackberry is an extension of the company email/webserver -- private/secure work emails can be mass sent to specific/all members of the company via pre-installed encryption. This means that the Blackberry is programmed with an encryption key, the company's webserver has the same key, and during broadcast nobody else can intercept and read this communication.
This is the very reason that firms/large companies and government officials (e.g. Obama) use Blackberries -- everyone KNOWS the iPhone etc is much more media rich, but they use the Berry specifically for the sophistication it affords emailing. In fact, the majority of my friends working at firms with work given BBs have BBM, and app installs completely disabled as this would be a potential security breach. A banker friend of mine in London actually had hackers get into their bank network and attempts were actually made to download sensitive information from his phone.
The majority of people do not work at such important jobs however, and thus choose the iPhone for personal use. I for one use a berry and will be switching to iPhone soon, but feel its important to not ignore the BB's original purpose.
ah, makes sense now, no wonder you don't understand how blackberries are used in the business world. BIS? Pffft, that's for kids. I'm talking about BES (Blackberry Enteprise Server)
What exactly are you arguing here? You're going in circles...
I stated that the Blackberry Infrastructure is the reason why Blackberry devices can be considered as useful or superior in certain situations in my very first post. Then you argued it but basically repeated the same thing but adding that Blackberry HARDWARE is what allows it to be a business tool....Then I showed you that it's not hardware and that it's a system/network structure and you argue once again only to agree with my original statement...that Blackberries are better used for business settings...
What is your objective with this argument? Your main point simply goes back to a point that I had INITIATED and set forth before you...
As I mentioned, when Blackberry Services first started, people were originally using it for it's primary, intended use...ALSO as I mentioned, nowadays, the majority of people are NOT using it for it's original purpose but rather for the use of "BBM." Which again, brings me back to my first point, there is no advantage of BBM (For these people) than there is for text messaging...
In 2009, there were about 50 Million Blackberries being used...Out of that number only 21 Million were using the Blackberry Enterprise system...Once again, majority of people are NOT using it for its original intended purpose and therefore the argument of whether a Blackberry is a better communication device (for them) is irrelevant...
I now invite you to respond to my post like you have done so a few times already, only to agree with what I am saying without actually openly say that you agree. Instead, you're going to write what I write in different words and then say that what I'm saying is wrong...Good on ya...
What exactly are you arguing here? You're going in circles...
I stated that the Blackberry Infrastructure is the reason why Blackberry devices can be considered as useful or superior in certain situations in my very first post. Then you argued it but basically repeated the same thing but adding that Blackberry HARDWARE is what allows it to be a business tool....Then I showed you that it's not hardware and that it's a system/network structure and you argue once again only to agree with my original statement...that Blackberries are better used for business settings...
What is your objective with this argument? Your main point simply goes back to a point that I had INITIATED and set forth before you...
As I mentioned, when Blackberry Services first started, people were originally using it for it's primary, intended use...ALSO as I mentioned, nowadays, the majority of people are NOT using it for it's original purpose but rather for the use of "BBM." Which again, brings me back to my first point, there is no advantage of BBM (For these people) than there is for text messaging...
In 2009, there were about 50 Million Blackberries being used...Out of that number only 21 Million were using the Blackberry Enterprise system...Once again, majority of people are NOT using it for its original intended purpose and therefore the argument of whether a Blackberry is a better communication device (for them) is irrelevant...
I now invite you to respond to my post like you have done so a few times already, only to agree with what I am saying without actually openly say that you agree. Instead, you're going to write what I write in different words and then say that what I'm saying is wrong...Good on ya...
wow, talk about over-reaction.
go read your original post. did you once ever mentioned EMAIL?
Now read my first post. I never agreed with you that "BBM" is great for business or should i say "Was great" for business. Go read my 2nd sentence. That IS why Blackberries are used for business. Those 3 reasons. Guess what, I didn't say BBM so not sure why you think I did? Do you know what Exchange integration is?
Just because there are less BES users than BIS users does not make Blackberries any less of a communcation device. who are you to suggest that?
I guess my primary problem with your original post is that you somehow think that BBM/SMS is a good proxy for business communications. Or at least thats how you worded it. I was merely pointing out the fact that you completely neglected the use (and reliance) of email in organizations, in which Blackberry is king. Bar none.
Hell, you even ignore the fact that you can email your friends. that is a form of communication too, you know
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I guess my primary problem with your original post is that you somehow think that BBM/SMS is a good proxy for business communications. Or at least thats how you worded it. I was merely pointing out the fact that you completely neglected the use (and reliance) of email in organizations, in which Blackberry is king. Bar none.
Hell, you even ignore the fact that you can email your friends. that is a form of communication too, you know
Over-reaction? Probably, it's what I'm known for...But your "primary problem" is a misinterpretation on your end...
I did not neglect the use of or reliance of emails in organizations...That was EXACTLY what I was referring to in my original post...Only an idiot would think that text messaging and/or BBM is the most efficient way to communicate in a business or office.
Also, as I mentioned when I first using Blackberry many, many years ago, BES was the primary source of communication. In fact, that's how/why I got my Blackberry because it was given to me by my company.
I guess it was a little confusing because I was trying to make 2 separate arguments and brought them into one.
1) Blackberry Infrastructure (BES, BIS,) was originally created to provide small and large businesses a secure, quick and efficient way to communicate. Those who use it for THIS purpose TODAY, are the ones, in my opinion, can say "Blackberry is better for communication."
2) Majority of people today are NOT using it for this function. Similarly, the majority of people on this forum are not using it for this function. Blackberry has become a staple for young people as a communication device relying on the "BBM" service. These same people argue that Blackberry is better because it has BBM. I argue that BBM is not a better way of communicating, simply an alternative that has far more limitations. Thus, those who use Blackberries for their BBM, calling and texting features, simply cannot say that their phones are superior because they aren't even using the one feature that has the ability of making it a superior device...
who cares about whats better or worse. the majority of the top end phones, like top end sports cars, all do damn near about as good of a job as eachother, just in different packages. i like the packages that a BB and lambo come in. you may like the packages an iphone and ferrari come in. doesnt mean either one of us are wrong or right.
RIM/BB has been in decline for the last 4-5 years, I think...slowly losing market share to Apple and Android. Apple and Android hold ~30% each right now.
RIM hasn't shown us anything new for awhile. Seems only "business" people that think BB is the only way to go are the only people still buying them. That and people that can't live with BBM.
I love my blackberry for its keyboard+bbm+email. I have my work email on my blackberry and its nice replying to clients when I have to work outside the office. I find it a chore to type on a touch screen. I find with a blackberry I can do all the simple things I need to do to organize my day faster than the iphone.
I've gone back and forth between iphone and bb. Using bb like 95% of the time. I had an iphone 4 + bb at the same time at one point. Found that I used my bb more. I've now found my happy medium at bb+ipad. Haha Posted via RS Mobile
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