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pk_volt 06-14-2011 01:36 PM
You are not scamming the government... the government is scamming you with retarded taxes. But in the end, there's nothing you can do...

ICBC can easily just dig this forum thread up and prove it as evidence... you're already raped up the bum if you try to neglect taxes...

BlackZRoadster 06-14-2011 01:43 PM
^ if you dont like paying taxes . maybe you should move to a country that has less taxes? You have choice where you want to live.

JesseBlue 06-14-2011 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Jgresch (Post 7471770)
terrible advice... any real reasoning as to why he shoudl do this?

OP, You're spending 15 grand on a car, and are risking tax fraud because you wanna save $1200.... If you can't afford the taxes find a cheaper car.
In the end, you know he doesn't want to pay the taxes on it so the way to know what will happen is to try it out...

How many times would you pay taxes selling a used car? Don't tell me used car dealers don't do favors similar to this to prospective/actual buyers...

BlackZRoadster 06-14-2011 08:04 PM
^ none of the dealerships I have worked at will declare false value to save the customers tax.
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Skyline350gt 06-14-2011 09:03 PM
My last car was a gift and I got full value of the car when it was totalled(rear ended).
No questions was asked.
The person who gave me the car was my brothers best friend, and he wrote a letter saying it was for my 20Th birthday.

Mananetwork 06-14-2011 11:11 PM
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Originally Posted by pk_volt (Post 7472365)
You are not scamming the government... the government is scamming you with retarded taxes. But in the end, there's nothing you can do...

ICBC can easily just dig this forum thread up and prove it as evidence... you're already raped up the bum if you try to neglect taxes...
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Originally Posted by BlackZRoadster (Post 7472373)
^ if you dont like paying taxes . maybe you should move to a country that has less taxes? You have choice where you want to live.
^ BITCH PLEASE! How is the government not scamming us by paying taxes on used cars?! The car can pass through 12 different people with each person having to pay tax! SCAM-UP-THE-ASSS!!

BlackZRoadster 06-14-2011 11:17 PM
The money that goes to government goes into funding all different types of things.

So before you " bitch please " me, you should thank the government who pays the welfare cheques in dtes
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tiger_handheld 06-15-2011 08:50 AM
Thanks guys for all your opinions.


Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackZRoadster (Post 7473130)
The money that goes to government goes into funding all different types of things.

So before you " bitch please " me, you should thank the government who pays the welfare cheques in dtes
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completely off topic:

I'm sorry, I didn't know it was my duty to pay for the welfare of lazy crack addicts. Maybe instead of saving up to buy a car, I should go just go and be a lazy bum on the street, and live off other peoples money...

every minute I work - I pay taxes
every time I fill up - I pay taxes
every time I buy basic necessities to live - I pay taxes
For owning a home - I pay taxes

Tell me at which point in time the recipients of welfare checks pay taxes.

Give me a break if I want to save $1200.

BlackZRoadster 06-15-2011 09:03 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tiger_handheld (Post 7473452)
Thanks guys for all your opinions.





completely off topic:

I'm sorry, I didn't know it was my duty to pay for the welfare of lazy crack addicts. Maybe instead of saving up to buy a car, I should go just go and be a lazy bum on the street, and live off other peoples money...

every minute I work - I pay taxes
every time I fill up - I pay taxes
every time I buy basic necessities to live - I pay taxes
For owning a home - I pay taxes

Tell me at which point in time the recipients of welfare checks pay taxes.

Give me a break if I want to save $1200.
my comments about the welfare cheques to DTES was not directed to you. But for ppl who needed it, which i quoted him.

edit: everyone pays taxes the same as you. just b/c you pay taxes everywhere means you can do tax fraud to save yourself 1200?
do you pity those who tax fraud millions of dollars who get caught?

shenmecar 06-15-2011 09:08 AM
you can put anything you want on paper. I bought a car that was 13.5k and i put down 5k when i did the transfer and bought insurance. the autoplan guy just asked me why was the car under market value and I only said that the car needed work. just tell the seller to come with you if its a private sell.

saved me a lot of taxes there!

unit 06-15-2011 09:29 AM
more on this:

i believe that if you claim it as 6k, and the car gets written off, you'll only get 6k, not 15k or the book value.

if your car gets written off, please dont make a thread complaining about how icbc screwed you out of 9k.

unit 06-15-2011 09:31 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tiger_handheld (Post 7473452)
every minute I work - I pay taxes
every time I fill up - I pay taxes
every time I buy basic necessities to live - I pay taxes
For owning a home - I pay taxes

Give me a break if I want to save $1200.
so does everyone else who pays their car taxes fairly...

tiger_handheld 06-15-2011 09:37 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by unit (Post 7473487)
more on this:

i believe that if you claim it as 6k, and the car gets written off, you'll only get 6k, not 15k or the book value.

if your car gets written off, please dont make a thread complaining about how icbc screwed you out of 9k.

quoted from another thread on rs. i mentioned this thread on the previous page as well: http://www.revscene.net/forums/selli...t608476p2.html

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Originally Posted by vafanculo (Post 7071957)
Should be market value. When my car got written off they gave me $2600, but I only paid $1500.
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Originally Posted by izzer (Post 7074116)
You can gift a vehicle to anyone, it does not have to be a family member. Private sales usually involve the purchaser to pay tax on the vehicle.

If you gift a vehicle and its written off you get current market value for the vehicle ( its always a good idea to take in adds off buysell etc for similar cars incase icbc does try to low ball) its usually a pretty decent pay out, keep in mind im looking at it form a claims perspective

We use a gold book value now, it shows the original MSRP, current value, and whole sale price of the vehicle

The reason we ask why you are selling the vehicle for less the 90% of current market value or what the relation is between buyer and seller is because we have to input something on the APV9E (tax exemption online form)

If icbc does really want to know if the vehicle is really a gift or not they send a letter to the seller of the vehicle asking what the vehicle was sold for, if you send the letter back saying "gift" the trail ends there

hope that helps
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Originally Posted by izzer (Post 7080384)
ICBC gives you current market value. . . . i thought this was already discussed?
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Originally Posted by xpl0sive (Post 7080461)
how is it so hard to understand? here's an example for you.
I bought a car for $36k cash from a private party. We wrote down that I paid $20k for it to save on some tax. Car got written off. ICBC valued the car at $43k + HST. I got close to $50k for the car from ICBC. ;)
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Originally Posted by fliptuner (Post 7080547)
Doesn't matter what he paid, ICBC should pay what it costs to replace.

MindBomber 06-15-2011 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Mananetwork (Post 7473119)
^ BITCH PLEASE! How is the government not scamming us by paying taxes on used cars?! The car can pass through 12 different people with each person having to pay tax! SCAM-UP-THE-ASSS!!
You know whats a scam?
Pearsoncare, for decades the government has been forcing universal healthcare on us and taxing us moderately to cover it. I fucking hate this country, I'm emigrating to Syria where the government treats it's citizens fairly.
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melloman 06-15-2011 11:50 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tiger_handheld (Post 7473452)
Thanks guys for all your opinions.





completely off topic:

I'm sorry, I didn't know it was my duty to pay for the welfare of lazy crack addicts. Maybe instead of saving up to buy a car, I should go just go and be a lazy bum on the street, and live off other peoples money...

every minute I work - I pay taxes
every time I fill up - I pay taxes
every time I buy basic necessities to live - I pay taxes
For owning a home - I pay taxes

Tell me at which point in time the recipients of welfare checks pay taxes.

Give me a break if I want to save $1200.
You pay taxes for a decent life. People on welfare pay taxes too idiot. They buy groceries and that's taxed. They live in houses which are taxed. There's a small population of crackheads that live in a cardboard box, and buy crack with their welfare money. Maybe lets say 1-2% of BC.

Have a walk on the DTES and count the crackheads, then look how many people actually live in GVRD. Taxes pay for a lot of shit, from healthcare to upkeep of your electricity/plumbing/roads.

Without taxes I'd love to see how fast the city would fall to shit. If you don't want to pay taxes:

GO TO SIBERIA.

BlackZRoadster 06-15-2011 12:17 PM
Thanks dude !^
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pk_volt 06-15-2011 12:31 PM
I understand taxes are a requirement to sustain the city, but just the fact that taxing people from buying USED items from other people is lame.

I could live with taxing on buying used vehicle if the rate was lower for just this particular case, but at 12%... holy shit man! Only reason why we're taxed on buying used cars is it gives equal opportunities for car dealers to sell cars.

Those of you who talk crap about "If you don't like it here, move to a different country" are just people who don't care even if they are get trampled down by the government and are unable to come up with more viable solutions as what a normal citizen should do... and THEY'RE the ones who should "move to a different country".

MindBomber 06-15-2011 12:54 PM
No, I don't think I should move to another country; I recognize the extreme costs associated with providing social services to the citizens of this country and am willing to contribute finacially to sustain them. There is no system more fair for the government to collect revenue than sales taxes, it burdens all people equally despite income level or obligations based on what they spend.

If you feel so strongly about taxing used items though Pk, explain how the system would work.

- What would prevent a car dealer from driving a car around for a few days and calling it "used"?
- How would you respond to protests from businesses selling new products, that businesses selling used products have an unfair advantage?
- How would you replace the lost tax revenue or what government programs would you cut funding from?

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Originally Posted by pk_volt (Post 7473732)
I understand taxes are a requirement to sustain the city, but just the fact that taxing people from buying USED items from other people is lame.

I could live with taxing on buying used vehicle if the rate was lower for just this particular case, but at 12%... holy shit man!

Those of you who talk crap about "If you don't like it here, move to a different country" are just people who don't care even if they are get trampled down by the government and are unable to come up with more viable solutions as what a normal citizen should do... and THEY'RE the ones who should "move to a different country".
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BlackZRoadster 06-15-2011 12:58 PM
Argue and debate all you guys want!

At the end of the day, you have to pay taxes! All this arguing and bickering does not make the government change the rules.

However, if you like to do tax fraud, that is at your discretion. Don't cry when you get screwed over one day in life.

Phil@rise 06-15-2011 12:59 PM
To attempt to figure out how much a car may or may not have been sold for, both parties would need to be audited by the government not ICBC. ICBC doesn't care if you pay your takes they are just the point of sale collectors.
Why would the government audit two people for a measly used car sale?

tiger_handheld 06-15-2011 01:24 PM
Guys, Thanks a lot for your feedback.

MODS: Feel free to rename this thread to "Taxes on Used items - Fair or Unfair " and move it to Van Offtopic.

BlackZRoadster 06-15-2011 02:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Phil@rise (Post 7473761)
To attempt to figure out how much a car may or may not have been sold for, both parties would need to be audited by the government not ICBC. ICBC doesn't care if you pay your takes they are just the point of sale collectors.
Why would the government audit two people for a measly used car sale?
Assuming you have a business , I'm sure there is some tax evasion going on since they don't check for some measley small business
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ddonovan 06-15-2011 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Donut (Post 7470604)
I heard the gift car/tax exemption thing stopped working May 1.
I heard the same thing..., no gifts. ICBC will determine the value and tax you accordingly. It is easier to have the bill of sale depreciated a bit instead of trying to get a gift tax exemption.

Again though if the deflated price is too low ICBC will dissalow and will go on blue book or black book value.

BlackZRoadster 06-15-2011 03:24 PM
^ thanks icbc and gov't
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Edison_Chen 06-15-2011 04:49 PM
As of May 1, 2011, for gift transfer, there is a new form called Fin319. Any transactions after that date will need the new gift letter which can also be found here: http://www.sbr.gov.bc.ca/documents_l...s/0319FILL.pdf That is the only difference before May 1, 2011 as per the tax section in the Autoplan Manual.

Remember, even if you have an old gift letter, you cannot use it now. Brokers will not accept the old style gift letters


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