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And the bill goes through 158-113. All those people with your jerseys, REJOICE!

^should be that work for CP resumes monday, but like some people have said, sorting and backlog wont have deliveries until wednesday at the earliest

it has to pass the senate now

and work should resume shortly after that ( a day?)

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Jun 25, 2011 – 9:09 AM ET | Last Updated: Jun 25, 2011 8:18 PM ET

By Amy Minsky

OTTAWA — Back-to-work legislation parliamentarians have been debating for more than 48 hours passed in the House of Commons Saturday evening.

Labour Minister Lisa Raitt, who introduced the bill Monday said postal workers will be back on the job 24 hours after the bill becomes law. The bill still has to pass in the Senate — a process the federal government has said can be accomplished within one day — and senators will be in the red chamber Sunday to debate the proposed legislation.

Bill-C6 passed third reading shortly after 8:00 — following debate and filibusters that kept the Commons alive since Thursday — by a count of 158-113, with Liberals and New Democrats vehemently opposing its implementation.

“This is not in the interest of the employees, not in the interest of the employers and not in the interest of Canadians,” said Liberal MP Stephane Dion.

But Labour Minister Lisa Raitt said the bill “meets the requirement of the charter.”

Earlier Saturday, the NDP proposed an amendment to address their main point of contention: that the Conservatives’ proposal contains lower wages than what originally was proposed by Canada Post during its negotiations with the union.

Liberal MP Rodger Cuzner called it the “among the most concerning aspects of the bill.”

As debate on back-to-work legislation lurched towards the finish line Saturday afternoon, unionized Canada Post employees thanked the NDP for delaying government efforts to order the 50,000 locked-out workers back on the job.

In a letter to NDP leader Jack Layton, the president of the union said the stalling tactics bought them time, but it hasn’t been enough to end the impasse.

“During the evening of June 24, we held extensive discussions,” Denis Lamelin wrote, noting the union, Raitt and federal mediation services also met Saturday morning. “Despite your efforts and the support and solidarity activities of tens of thousands of people across the country, the negotiations were unsuccessful.”

New Democrat MP Yvon Godin said Saturday the party was pleased it was able to give the workers “three days’ space.

“This discussion created negotiations between the union of the postal workers and the Canada Post. Sadly, negotiations broke.”

Canada Post spokesman Anick Losier said both sides remained “far apart” following a meeting Saturday morning, and no further negotiations were planned.

Because the feuding sides haven’t been able to reach an agreement, the union has asked the NDP to move the process forward so amendments to the bill can be introduced.

Earlier Saturday, the bill passed second reading by 158 votes to 112.

On Saturday evening, MPs began debating amendments to the bill. One of the amendments put forward by the NDP would give the locked-out workers the wage increases included in Canada Post’s last contract offer — wages which are higher than those written into the government’s bill.

As soon as Raitt introduced the bill on Monday — less than one week after the employees were locked out — the NDP vowed to draw out the debate to allow postal workers and their managers more time to strike their own deal instead of being bound to one written by the government.

Canada Post locked out its employees on June 14, after the Canadian Union of Postal Workers conducted 12 days of rotating strikes.
The Crown corporation blamed the two weeks of rotating strikes for estimated losses of $100 million.

Canada Post and the union went through seven months of failed negotiations before the rotating strikes began.

Aside from wages, changing the sick leave plan has also caused contention between the two sides; Canada Post had fought for a short-term disability plan to replace the practice of banking sick days.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/06...ver-continues/

my friggin suspension bits are in limbo :fuuuuu:

get back to work canada post! :(

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Originally Posted by StylinRed (Post 7489970)

it has to pass the senate now

and work should resume shortly after that ( a day?)

if it doesnt pass the senate, all those people sitting on their asses in there need to be thrown out. the people sitting in there get paid so much to do basically so little.

man do i love canadian politcs...

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Originally Posted by StylinRed (Post 7489845)

unions are made by the people for the people against the corporation

of course groups with their own interests will send their wishes to representatives of the govt....

are you trolling or are u just dumb? oO (i havent read the thread so i dont know what role ur taking)

Duh, of course I know they can send their "wishes" to the MPs they've elected. What I'm saying is the blatant lie that Layton and the NDP spew out when saying that they represent the Canadian public, which is FALSE. They represent a SMALL group of Canadians that hide behind Unions to do the dirty work for them. I can send 10 million letters to any one of the party leaders but hey guess what, they won't do what I tell them to do.

I'm not taking sides because both sides are equally responsible for this mess, but thanks for calling names to show how ignorant you are when dealing with people with different opinions than you.

:fuckyea:

Love the penalties for defying the order, $50K for the union and $1K for each person, per day.

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Originally Posted by Form>Function (Post 7489973)

Harper has the Senate stacked too with people who will vote along party lines, so it'll pass.

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Originally Posted by Bonjour43MA (Post 7489993)

Duh,
I'm not taking sides because both sides are equally responsible for this mess, but thanks for calling names to show how ignorant you are when dealing with people with different opinions than you.

i wasn't calling names those were the 2 obvious categories that your comments could fall into

so i asked for clarification :P and you gave it, thx :)

(you were trollin)

YESH... paycheques... here i come LOL

Waste of time and money.

FINALLY, MAILLLLLLLL, HOW I MISSED YOU SOOOOOOO

Fuck unions. Seriously... Good in the 30's/40's etc., these days just a shield for lazy ass workers wanting more than their worth.

And the Senate passes the bill, mail could be delivered as early as Tuesday.

http://ca.reuters.com/article/domest...75M58420110627

fuck i really need my credit card to come in... :alone:

I kinda find it amusing how the union is crying foul about how the arbitrator has to pick one, or the other; and not find a common ground between the two sides.

that tells me one thing: that they know their offer is unreasonable, and will get rejected.

if i had submitted my absolute final offer for something, i would be confident in it that it is fair, and that any level-headed mediator will choose my submission.

Now if CP had been crying foul as well, then i'd prolly think that both sides were playing hardball, and they both need to get back to the table to work on it more, but from the few reports i've read, they haven't commented on it.

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Originally Posted by carisear (Post 7491292)

both sides believe that final offers are the best they're willing to do...

that's why the fair approach would be a middle ground of both offers

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Originally Posted by StylinRed (Post 7491315)

both sides believe that final offers are the best they're willing to do...

that's why the fair approach would be a middle ground of both offers

but then that middle ground works both ways because one will want to get a better deal than the other side. then the cycle repeats itself and there's a stalemate in negotiations again.

if both sides met at a middle, then there wouldnt have been a need for legislation to put postal workers back to work. it sucks how corporations/unions try to work together, but when demands arent met/ demands are too high, this strike happens.

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Originally Posted by carisear (Post 7491292)

I absolutely agree. From the material I've read the union has offered no concessions on pensions or sick days, and nothing substantial on salary.

My bet is the next union proposal will throw new employees under the bus and offer concessions, or risk having the arbitrator chose CPC's proposal.

I was just watching the news. Apparently the Canada post workers are not happy about going back to work. At least 300 people are at downtonw's Canada post. Also we could be getting our mail tomorrow.

does the new bill affect all unions or just canada post? what about nurses?