The Official 2011/2012 Canucks Thread

[dbaz]

Originally Posted by Form>Function

Agreed. All the hype about the Canucks picking up some big name via trade or through FA is what it is-hype.

The Canucks have the ability to build through their farm be it forwards (Hodgson, Shirokov) or defense (Oberg, Parent, Tanev).

oberg was traded to fla for higgins.

[tonyzoomzoom]

Originally Posted by spoon.ek9

dinosaurs don't know how to use twitter

That dinosaur IS a twit, though

[Tapioca]

Originally Posted by Ronin

There's TONS of UFAs that the Canucks could be interested in. Ville Leino, Tomas Fleischmann, Joel Ward, Sean Bergenheim, Max Talbot...all would be good, affordable additions to the Canucks bottom six, some of which could surprise and move up to play with Kes.

Out of those guys, I would only go for Ville Leino. He's a clutch playoff performer and he's only 24. But, there will be 10 other teams who will throw big money at this guy if Philly can't sign him by Friday.

[RacingMetro92]

Originally Posted by dbaz

oberg was traded to fla for higgins.

My bad, forgot he was traded. But still, we have enough depth where we don't have to shell out $$$ now when Edler is due up for cash in a couple of years

[dbaz]

people are forgetting about connaughton (sp?) too. kids got a hell of a shot and offensive mind but his defense is definitely sketchy still.

[goo3]

I wanna hear BMAC do his Tony impression while talking shit about TSN

[b0unce. [?]]

Originally Posted by Ronin

It would be fucking awesome to have Ovechkin, Crosby, Gretzky, Howe, Bobby Orr, Rocket Richard, etc playing with the Sedins!

...why even bother if it isn't even in the realm of possibility? LET'S TRADE TANNER GLASS' NEGOTIATING RIGHTS FOR RYAN MILLER TO BACK UP LUONGO.

gretzky doesn't need the sedins. he could just play by himself.

[fliptuner]

Not true. We'd need to sign Dave Semenko to be his bodyguard.

[shawn79]

V. Bure: Gillis and the Canucks are pathetic

A fired-up Valeri Bure slammed the Vancouver Canucks and his former agent-turned GM Mike Gillis, calling them "pathetic" for not retiring his brother Pavel Bure's number.
On Team 1040 to talk about Pavel getting passed over again for the Hockey Hall of Fame, Val took aim at Gillis and ripped the organization for failing to recognize Pavel by retiring his number.
“I think Mike Gillis not retiring his number is pathetic, without him they might not have a GM place now,” Valeri said. “The way that Mike Gillis handled himself when the people asked him why Pavel Bure's jersey is not up he said something like 'I'll decide when his jersey goes up' And I thought who gives you the authority to decide. Who are you? You are an ex-agent who got paid by my brother a lot of money, got paid by a lot of players a lot of money, now those players got you that job and now you've got to decide who's jersey is going up or not. This is just absolutely crazy, crazy talk by him and that's one of the things that bother me.”
"(Gillis) has been great for the organization, and it's not that Markus Naslund's jersey went up, so, well my brother's should go up.

"His jersey should be up for what he's done."


Up to now, it's been unclear whether Pavel even wanted to be honoured. But his brother sure made a strong case he does. Valeri said he didn't have bad blood with Gillis and didn't think there was any between his brother and Gillis.
Val also compared his brother to Wayne Gretzky and suggested the Florida Panthers should also retire his number.

[shawn79]

canucks are pathetic if they dont retire bure

[b0unce. [?]]

Val is just pissed cause he's no where close as good as his brother.

[krazynuck]

Originally Posted by b0unce. [?]

Val is just pissed cause he's no where close as good as his brother.

and because he married the girl from full house


I checked to see how many players have numbers retired and its around 95 (canucks have 3) As much as I like Bure I think you have to be good on and off ice to deserve your number retired....and from what I remember Bure was only amazing on ice

I just assumed he would be in the ring of honor this year though

[b0unce. [?]]

Originally Posted by krazynuck

and because he married the girl from full house


I checked to see how many players have numbers retired and its around 95 (canucks have 3) As much as I like Bure I think you have to be good on and off ice to deserve your number retired....and from what I remember Bure was only amazing on ice

I just assumed he would be in the ring of honor this year though

bure was incredible during his prime, he was no doubt the most exciting player the canucks have ever had, his numbers reflected that. i would be fine if bure's number was retired, at the same time, i don't think people would be that hurt if they dont retire his number.
regarding his HHOF induction, i dont think he'll make it in. the competition's he got is pretty nutty. with a shortened career, it definitely hurts his chances too much.

[Ronin]

No one here or anywhere gives a shit what Valeri Bure has to say. He was a merely average player in the NHL. I bet Gillis is laughing his head off at this. Oh noes, he's being criticized by a guy that never scored a goal in the playoffs. If his name wasn't Bure, no one would remember this guy.

I listened to his interview on Team1040 and it just sounded like a jaded retired player that's trying to get his name back in the papers and out of insignificance.

[Ronin]

And Bure might get consideration for HoF in a slow year but he should not have his number retired by the Canucks.

[iwantaskyline]

The numbers alone PROVE Pavel Bure deserves to be in the HHOF. It's the hockey hall of fame so the criteria should be players who were exceptionally skilled and gifted. Even if Pavel was labelled as a "selfish" or not a model citizen as a player it should not matter at all.

Arguably Bure has accomplished much more as a Canuck then Naslund did. But again it's the way he left, which is why his number isn't retired.

[MR_BIGGS]

The criteria for players to make the HOF doesn't seem to have much to do with their humility off the ice. Ed Belfour was a prick to reporters and the media, but they looked at his numbers and he deserves to be there.

[RacingMetro92]

The HOF is starting to get a bottleneck of players as the ones from the 90's ish generation start to gain eligibility. I mean there's Sakic, Curtis Joseph and Shanahan just to name a few guys who are able to go in next year.

IMO, the three guys I mentioned get in, leaving only 1 more spot...Bure isn't getting in with that competition.

Edit: Found the list for next year:

* Jeremy Roenick
* Mats Sundin
* Joe Sakic
* Curtis Joseph
* Brendan Shanahan
* Olaf Kolzig
* Teppo Numminen
* Markus Naslund
* Gary Roberts
* Claude Lemieux
* Bobby Holik

[7seven]

TSNBobMcKenzie Bob McKenzie
As per @GMillerTSN, LAK not happy to learn Colin Fraser, part of EDM Smyth deal, is apparently "injured." Not able to be bought out now.

TSNBobMcKenzie Bob McKenzie
LAK could petition NHL to reverse Smyth trade with EDM, but won't obviously happen because Kings don't want Smyth's salary back on the books

So to summarize:
*Kings and Oilers talk to send Smyth back to Oilers
*Kings tell Oilers they just need a player and a pick back and they will buyout whatever player
*Oilers tell Kings, take Brule, he's healthy and can be bought out
*Oilers refuse to certify in writing Brule is healthy
*Brule is injured and can't be bought out
*Trade falls through
*Oilers and Kings then settle on Colin Fraser and pick for Smyth
*Oilers assure Kings verbally Fraser is healthy and can be bought out
*Fraser is not healthy and stuck on the Kings for full cap hit and contract limit

Wow talk about shady, dirty, slimey bush league organizations. Oilers and Tambo

[SkinnyPupp]

Oilers are so bush league

[krazynuck]

Originally Posted by 7seven

So to summarize:
*Kings and Oilers talk to send Smyth back to Oilers
*Kings tell Oilers they just need a player and a pick back and they will buyout whatever player
*Oilers tell Kings, take Brule, he's healthy and can be bought out
*Oilers refuse to certify in writing Brule is healthy
*Brule is injured and can't be bought out
*Trade falls through
*Oilers and Kings then settle on Colin Fraser and pick for Smyth
*Oilers assure Kings verbally Fraser is healthy and can be bought out
*Fraser is not healthy and stuck on the Kings for full cap hit and contract limit

Wow talk about shady, dirty, slimey bush league organizations. Oilers and Tambo

Overall its pretty funny how this went down....I can't believe this much trouble for smyth though

[7seven]

A couple of updates

Blue Jackets' beat writer is reporting that Wisnewski is currently at Nationwide Arena meeting the teams staff and could expect a signing this afternoon.

Regier at the Regher press conference has said that he has spoken to Ehrhoff and his agent this morning and an offer was presented to them, he expects a decision by this afternoon. Ehrhoff has since called former Sharks teammates and former Sabres Craig Rivet and Mike Grier today to ask questions about living and playing in Buffalo. Current Sabre Jochen Hecht and former Sabre Uwe Krupp have both been in contact in Germany with Ehrhoff about playing in Buffalo. Ehrhoff's wife has also been in contact with Kim Pegula, the Sabres' owner's wife about the Buffalo area.

Rumor is Wisnewski is looking at $5.2M per cap hit for 5-6 years and Ehrhoff asking price is at least $5.5M cap hit, as he wanted from the Canucks.

If both sign, that leaves Anton Babchuk as the top UFA Dman come July 1st? haha

Nashville buys out JP Dumont and confirms they will not resign Shane O'Brien.

[Expresso]

Wishnewski is not a $5M defensemen.

[7seven]

Originally Posted by 7seven

So to summarize:
*Kings and Oilers talk to send Smyth back to Oilers
*Kings tell Oilers they just need a player and a pick back and they will buyout whatever player
*Oilers tell Kings, take Brule, he's healthy and can be bought out
*Oilers refuse to certify in writing Brule is healthy
*Brule is injured and can't be bought out
*Trade falls through
*Oilers and Kings then settle on Colin Fraser and pick for Smyth
*Oilers assure Kings verbally Fraser is healthy and can be bought out
*Fraser is not healthy and stuck on the Kings for full cap hit and contract limit

Wow talk about shady, dirty, slimey bush league organizations. Oilers and Tambo

Now in addition to this, it turns out Oilers submitted medical records saying Fraser's foot was healed. Medical examination proved that to be false haha, oh god, the Oilers are like a used car dealership on Kingsway.

From Kings beat writer:

helenenothelen Helene Elliott
Apparently Oilers' medical reports said Fraser was healed. Kings' personnel found otherwise

helenenothelen Helene Elliott
But likelihood of Kings and Oil trading again in future is, um, small.

helenenothelen Helene Elliott
Smyth trade won't be voided. Kings and Oil will try to work this out.

[highfive]

Originally Posted by 7seven

So to summarize:
*Kings and Oilers talk to send Smyth back to Oilers
*Kings tell Oilers they just need a player and a pick back and they will buyout whatever player
*Oilers tell Kings, take Brule, he's healthy and can be bought out
*Oilers refuse to certify in writing Brule is healthy
*Brule is injured and can't be bought out
*Trade falls through
*Oilers and Kings then settle on Colin Fraser and pick for Smyth
*Oilers assure Kings verbally Fraser is healthy and can be bought out
*Fraser is not healthy and stuck on the Kings for full cap hit and contract limit

Wow talk about shady, dirty, slimey bush league organizations. Oilers and Tambo

Didn't this happened with the Kings when we traded Cloutier for a second round pick?