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GabAlmighty 07-28-2011 04:21 AM

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Originally Posted by b0unce. [?] (Post 7526384)
whats the average response time of an ambulance?

Depends. A child with a spinal and no breathing/no breathing and no pulse, is going to get an ambulance within 4 minutes most than likely.

mr_chin 07-28-2011 06:03 AM

Although the officers were doing their job, the first officer should have assisted the woman into his cruiser, turn on the lights and rush her to the hospital, instead of giving him a lecture about speeding.

Did he actually think that if he let him go with a ticket, he would drive to the hospital at speed limit while his wife is crying in pain. Letting him go would give him the chance to commit the same offence. Are these officers retarded?

Supafly 07-28-2011 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by JDął (Post 7526436)
Rural Manitoba, even around Winnipeg, the roads are wide and flat with tons of vis. 160km/h out there isn't overly dangerous, just because you're used to cruising around at 80 or 90 in BC doesn't make this guy wreckless. He's driving a newish Honda Civic with modern tires, brakes, airbags, etc. A vehicle more than capable of doing that speed safely.

Just because the vehicle can obtain that speed, does not mean the vehicle can manuever safely or stop in a safe manner....adding the driver on top with severe mental distress makes it that much more worse.

160km/h + deer = mess...doesnt matter if you're a truck or a car...

hell, my 1981 toyota carona can break 160km/h.....but it cant steer for shit or stop on a dime.....

zulutango 07-28-2011 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by aznlangjai (Post 7527167)
Although the officers were doing their job, the first officer should have assisted the woman into his cruiser, turn on the lights and rush her to the hospital, instead of giving him a lecture about speeding.

Did he actually think that if he let him go with a ticket, he would drive to the hospital at speed limit while his wife is crying in pain. Letting him go would give him the chance to commit the same offence. Are these officers retarded?

Read my last posts with the links attached. HE REFUSED to have his wife transported when he was 15 kms from Portage...HE CHOSE to drive 170 KMH to Brandon instead...in March winter conditions, at high speed when there was no reason other than he wanted to take her to their own doctor. This guy chose to take her on a 300km round trip to go shopping, in winter, 5 days before her operation. What would he have done if a storm had hit and they got stranded somewhere? Why didn't he use his cell phone ( 15 kms outside Portage they have cell service)? This is not about the Cops being retarded, it's about Mr Webber choosing to repeatedly make bad and dangerous choices, to hell with the consequences. If there was any low level of intellegence it was missing from Mr Webber. BTW it doesn't take 15 minutes to write a ticket...maybe 5 mins at top. Maybe the other 10 were spent trying to convince Webber to accept medical help? You cannot force someone to see a doctor. He did say that they "lectured him" ...to see a doctor and to slow down...both requests that he chose to ignore.

AzNightmare 07-28-2011 06:32 AM

ticket is well deserved. But the 15 minute lecture/delay (twice!) was no necessary.
Under the circumstances, the officer should have gave him the ticket as fast as possible,
and help call an ambulance.

Then again, this guy should have just called the ambulance instead of try to take it in his own hands.

mr_chin 07-28-2011 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by zulutango (Post 7527175)
Read my last posts with the links attached. HE REFUSED to have his wife transported when he was 15 kms from Portage...HE CHOSE to drive 170 KMH to Brandon instead...in March winter conditions, at high speed when there was no reason other than he wanted to take her to their own doctor. This guy chose to take her on a 300km round trip to go shopping, in winter, 5 days before her operation. What would he have done if a storm had hit and they got stranded somewhere? Why didn't he use his cell phone ( 15 kms outside Portage they have cell service)? This is not about the Cops being retarded, it's about Mr Webber choosing to repeatedly make bad and dangerous choices, to hell with the consequences. If there was any low level of intellegence it was missing from Mr Webber. BTW it doesn't take 15 minutes to write a ticket...maybe 5 mins at top. Maybe the other 10 were spent trying to convince Webber to accept medical help? You cannot force someone to see a doctor. He did say that they "lectured him" ...to see a doctor and to slow down...both requests that he chose to ignore.

oh i didn't read that part... lol. hell with this guy, i hope his son turns on him, damn bastard!

Mananetwork 07-28-2011 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by JDął (Post 7526436)
Rural Manitoba, even around Winnipeg, the roads are wide and flat with tons of vis. 160km/h out there isn't overly dangerous, just because you're used to cruising around at 80 or 90 in BC doesn't make this guy wreckless. He's driving a newish Honda Civic with modern tires, brakes, airbags, etc. A vehicle more than capable of doing that speed safely.

Bottom line: cops in this situation are dicks with no social awareness. They should have done exactly what ZT suggested: taken the woman in their vehicle whilst notifying an ambulance or the hospital of the incoming emergency. A $1000 speeding ticket and suspended license for what this guy did just goes to show how out of touch with reality many officers are. Setting a trap for them with their emergency further down the road is disgusting. The judge should be ashamed of himself for allowing that to stand, period.

Had I been in the situation of the man/father, I'd have done the same thing and most people would. Had the situation been worse like for example she was bleeding down there, or if I was transporting someone who had somehow severed an artery etc, I wouldn't even stop for an officer I'd just carry on until I reached the hospital. While calling ahead and trying to get an ambulance to meet me somewhere of course. Even if I was suspended from driving ever again it would be worth it if a life was saved.

Agree with you 100%. There are times we need to obey the law and times we should lend a hand to help. I'm outright ashamed of what humans can do to each other without any compassion!

gars 07-28-2011 10:25 AM

For those who haven't read the story that Zulutango linked to.

It's from the Winnipeg Gazette

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Enough already, you boob
Posted on Sun - Jul 24, 2011

When I read the story of the highway escapades of David Weber and his wife Genevieve in the local media, I just shrugged and passed them off as yet one whining set of Manitoba morons who got what they deserved after doing a version of Two Lane Blacktop on one of Manitoba’s more dangerous highways.

But now it seems they’re peddling their distorted tale of woe to the media in another province, although a quick read of some of the comments to the story seems to indicate Ontario heartland readers have a fonder appreciation of the fact that speed kills, regardless of circumstances.

Not so in Manitoba where, if memory serves, something like 60% of readers saw nothing wrong with their actions in the original story. When I went looking for that story, instead I came across a more recent article that seems to have dialed back the ‘human interest’ sympathy angle somewhat, although it too fails to portray the events in a more realistic manner.

First, what reasonable woman, who is supposedly a candidate for high risk delivery and C-section scheduled in days, would feel it’s acceptable to go on a day long shopping trip an hour’s drive away, even if Winnipeg has several first-rate maternity care facilities.

Portage La Prairie, where they live, may not be the shopping mecca of Manitoba but it does have a Walmart and several other stores that can supply not only the basic needs of life, but a fair share of the shopper frills as well. It even has its own daily newspaper – if that’s an indication of civilization these days.

At any rate, my understanding of the story is that on their way back they are stopped by the RCMP outside Oakville for speeding – Oakville being about a 15 to 20 minute drive east of Portage.

It’s not overly clear what transpired, but based on my dealings with the local RCMP in the area, if there was any obvious signs of health distress, Genevieve Weber would have been loaded into the RCMP cruiser and rushed to Portage District Hospital. Not that it’s unheard of for the RCMP to escort a vehicle to a medical facility, but it’s generally in cases of severe trauma where it’s unreasonable or impracticable to use the cruiser as a last resort instead of a proper Paramedic unit. In most of these cases the Mounties and EMS personnel have been given advance warning of the situation and meet the vehicle en route to minimize the risk.

It’s not overly clear if the Webers attempt to call emergency services and ask for an escort prior to being stopped by the Mountie, but I suspect not. In fact , in view of the ticket being issued I suspect David Webber was beating his gums about speeding all the way to Brandon - with or without a police escort, and not interested in co-operating with the Officer who was left with no option but to issue a ticket to cover his/her butt, and notify Brandon RCMP that the Webers didn’t grasp the first message.

The officer was in a rather awkward position because their dispatcher is notified of every traffic stop and provided with the vehicle licence number over the radio. Assistance or an escort to the nearest medical facility in Portage La Prairie could be justified at a more prudent speed over the speed limit but not flying at 100 miles an hour past the first appropriate medical facility.

So what of the medical facility in Portage – why the need to get to Brandon? That baffles me. Even if Genevieve Weber’s maternity specialist is in Brandon, for whatever reason, the Portage District General Hospital is an 85 bed first-rate hospital that matches some of Winnipeg’s Hospitals albeit slightly scaled down.

Here’s what their site has to say:

The Portage District General Hospital serves an area of population of over 50,000 people and includes an 89-bed acute care regional centre. Care services offered include: critical care (ER/ICU), surgery, obstetrics, medicine, extended treatment, chemotherapy, hemo dialysis, community mental health, rehabilitation, respiratory, as well as a variety of diagnostic and ambulatory care services. With support from many community partners, a full range of community services (mental health, public health, home care) are available to the residents of Portage la Prairie and extended communities.

Having had a short stay in that hospital, I can attest that the care is not only first-rate, but actually somewhat better than in Winnipeg Hospitals. They are capable of dealing with all manner of illness, injury, and severe trauma from industrial, farm, and highway accidents, although in some situations patients are transferred to Winnipeg by ambulance after being stabilized, for specialized care.

In short, assessment, packing any bleeding, administering drugs to stop birth contractions, sedating and prep for transfer to Brandon via Paramedics would take a matter of minutes – certainly less than the hour it would take to drive to Brandon, putting family and everyone else on the highway at risk. Any relevant emergency information about the pregnancy is no more than a phone call and/or fax from the Hospital in Brandon.

In short what the Webers did was irresponsible, bone headed, unnecessary, and without justification. Speed and bad driving habits take too many lives on our Manitoba highways, as last weekend death toll will attest. Manitoba is not some backward hinterland devoid of proper health care facilities, and it’s offensive to read a story in the Toronto Star along with stupid inferences by a blogger who seems to suffer from all manner of irrational biases.

Apparently David Weber is some type of salesman, but I’m not buying anything he might be selling because he seems to play pretty fast and loose with the facts – enough already boob, take the punishment you deserve for a lack of common sense.

gars 07-28-2011 10:26 AM

*double post*

zulutango 07-28-2011 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by AzNightmare (Post 7527176)
ticket is well deserved. But the 15 minute lecture/delay (twice!) was no necessary.
Under the circumstances, the officer should have gave him the ticket as fast as possible,
and help call an ambulance.

The 15 minute lecture/delay was because the Cops were trying to talk him into getting his wife into an ambulance & taking her to the Portage Hospital 15 kms away instead of racing 150 kms at 170 kmh to Brandon. The second 15 minutes was while he finally waited for th4e ambulance. Nothing here says the Cops held her outside the ambulance while they served him his second ticket.

Then again, this guy should have just called the ambulance instead of try to take it in his own hands.

I agree also!...maybe he should have turned around before leaving Portage and headed right back into town after calling an ambulance. They have cell coverage in Portage.

To quote from the second newspaper story.." In short what the Webers did was irresponsible, bone headed, unnecessary, and without justification.

younglude 07-28-2011 02:58 PM

some of you guys seem to think that there is an abundance of available ambulances waiting for calls.

truth is, there isnt. if you have called 911 for an ambulance before, you know you are asked a series of questions to determine the severity of the patient. some people have waited well over an hour for an ambulance because there just isnt enough of them.

If the patient is sick and needs attention now, i.e. unconscious, trouble breathing. an ambulance will be there very fast. and even if the patient is far from a hospital. a helicopter will be sent as well.

There are also highly trained paramedics trained specially in child birth. why not call for help from some one that knows what they are doing?

Oleophobic 07-28-2011 03:08 PM

^
this

Last time I had to call an ambulance it took over 15 minutes, but as annoyed as I was, I realized that based on my responses to the questions the dispatcher asked, they determined it wasn't extremely serious or life-threatening and thus, lower priority.

parm104 07-28-2011 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Supafly (Post 7525853)
He would have been smarter if he just called 911 and got an ambulance.
What would happen if he got into a car accident?....that would just be a mess...

you guys are not seeing the bigger picture here....he could have hurt more people; not only his wife and unborn kid.
what would you think if he hit your friend who was crossing the street or you sister/brother/mom/dad in a t-bone accident?

jesus, just because you're in an "emergency" doesn't give you the ability to drive stupid.

Partially agree with you...The bigger picture isn't that if he kept speeding he could've hurt someone....the bigger picture is after the first officer realized the situation he had infront of him, we did he not make any effort to safely transport this pregnant woman to the hospital? Why did he instead tell them to be on their merry way to the hospital but to not speed?

SumAznGuy 07-28-2011 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by younglude (Post 7527695)
some of you guys seem to think that there is an abundance of available ambulances waiting for calls.

truth is, there isnt. if you have called 911 for an ambulance before, you know you are asked a series of questions to determine the severity of the patient. some people have waited well over an hour for an ambulance because there just isnt enough of them.

If the patient is sick and needs attention now, i.e. unconscious, trouble breathing. an ambulance will be there very fast. and even if the patient is far from a hospital. a helicopter will be sent as well.

There are also highly trained paramedics trained specially in child birth. why not call for help from some one that knows what they are doing?

Most of the comments about the ambulances are based on big city standards. I have no idea how big of a city Portage is or how many ambulances they have nor how long their response times will be.

But if you lived in butt frick no where, don't expect to see an ambulance waiting for an emergency on every street corner. It is quite possible that that city only has 1 or 2 ambulances and response times may be much longer than what we are accustomed to.

That being said, the Webers truely are at fault for not going to the nearest hospital and trying to make that hour long drive to their home hospital especially in the middle of winter. What it their car broke down along the highway or spun out from the high rate of speed. :facepalm:

Nicotine 07-28-2011 04:37 PM

shows the difference between an officer and a pig imo. wtf. if my baby was about to die id floor it too. save a life or give a guy a ticket for speeding. why doesn't he just give the guy a fucking escort.

metal 07-28-2011 05:08 PM

^Did you not read the thread?

zulutango 07-28-2011 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by nicolaspal (Post 7527795)
shows the difference between an officer and a pig imo. wtf. if my baby was about to die id floor it too. save a life or give a guy a ticket for speeding. why doesn't he just give the guy a fucking escort.

To quote the CTV report on this farce..." Then David was pulled over for speeding by the RCMP, who told him to slow down and offered him a police escort to the nearest hospital, in nearby Portage-la-Prarie. He declined the offer and rushed off toward the city of Brandon, where the couple felt Genevieve would "be taken care of."

Gumby 07-28-2011 09:01 PM

It's quite evident who on Revscene reads, and who doesn't.

AlphaKappa 07-28-2011 09:18 PM



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JDął 07-29-2011 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Supafly (Post 7527173)
Just because the vehicle can obtain that speed, does not mean the vehicle can manuever safely or stop in a safe manner....

hell, my 1981 toyota carona can break 160km/h.....but it cant steer for shit or stop on a dime.....

You completely missed the point where I mentioned he was driving a new Honda with modern tires, brakes, and safety standards. It's not your 81 Corona.

It's all moot now since the guy's obviously an idiot.

seakrait 07-29-2011 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by parm104 (Post 7527748)
Partially agree with you...The bigger picture isn't that if he kept speeding he could've hurt someone....the bigger picture is after the first officer realized the situation he had infront of him, we did he not make any effort to safely transport this pregnant woman to the hospital? Why did he instead tell them to be on their merry way to the hospital but to not speed?


i'm going to assume that you've read the multiple posts detailing the fact that the man refused the aid of the first officer to transport the woman to hospital.
what else could the officer do? arrest the man? arrest the woman and throw her in the police cruiser to take her to the closest? the officer has no right to do any of these things in that situation. it has to be the man/woman's choice. they made theirs. and now they should pay for it.

parm104 07-30-2011 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by seakrait (Post 7529131)
i'm going to assume that you've read the multiple posts detailing the fact that the man refused the aid of the first officer to transport the woman to hospital.
what else could the officer do? arrest the man? arrest the woman and throw her in the police cruiser to take her to the closest? the officer has no right to do any of these things in that situation. it has to be the man/woman's choice. they made theirs. and now they should pay for it.

2 days later and now you respond to that lol...I think it's now been made abundantly clear that the safer option was made available...

zulutango 07-30-2011 07:39 AM

Just adding gas to the fire...had it been in BC the car would have been impounded at the first stop and she could have gone directly to the nearby hospital. Anyone want to be that he would have still complained about the insensitive Cops endangering his wife?

racerman88 07-30-2011 10:29 AM

that is letter of the law done right.
Kind of stupid in my opinion given that that his wife is in the car as well.

seakrait 07-30-2011 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by parm104 (Post 7529237)
2 days later and now you respond to that lol...I think it's now been made abundantly clear that the safer option was made available...

it's never too late to point out ignorance of facts. :D


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