Again, when you say "only real valid" reasons not to getting an iPhone...that's objectionable...it's opinion vs opinion.

I can argue that iTunes isn't as flexible as other software and it isn't easy to use different computers to sync/transfer data and media.

The requirement of having to set up the iPhone on one particular computer is quite annoying too because it creates a nuance for future changes. I don't want to have to backup/restore my phone each time I change computers.

Also, I can't believe your making the argument that an "Android" device will be more expensive to replace the LCD on...Do you have any idea how much it costs to replace Apple parts; especially on the iPhone 4!? Genuine parts will cost you $100+ for the iPhone 4. You not only have to buy the LCD screen if it breaks, but ALSO the digitizer!

I think I said it pretty clearly. Not saying it's MORE expensive. Just saying that Android screens can't possibly be the same as bag of chips. It's going to cost you money. But I don't know about you but if I had an Android phone...there's no way I could just lie and get Apple to give me a new one.

...four times.

And how many computers do you need to sync a phone to? Do you buy a new computer often enough that this would ever be a problem?

Either way, these are incredibly small issues. Nothing mentioned would be important enough to be a dealbreaker. Don't want to pay $100 for a new screen? Don't break the screen.

I don't think I've ever repaired a phone that needed a significant repair. Just get a replacement or buy a new one. Breaking things is a good reason to upgrade to something newer.

Is that you, Steve?:D

We all know that Nokias are notorious for superior reception and call clarity. And thats a non arguable fact.

I'd say thats a "REAL" phone

With the amount of selection available in the smartphone market these days, it's getting difficult to figure out which phone is the right one for you.

Everyone has their own preference, but in the end, all of these new phones have so many toys built into them that it's gotten ridiculous in my opinion.

I'm still thinking whether I should pick up the Nexus S or Xperia Arc.

motorola razr :troll:

seriously though, get her to try the SE Arc. It's really light and it's decently fast.

even Diamonds will shatter if you hit them right

Was in the same predicament and went for the arc. Hardware is superior to three nexus but software it's behind the nexus a because many arc's can't unlock their boot loader yet, therefore no custom roms.
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I'm probably going to go for the Arc as well because I'm not the person to root my phone or what not. Seems like the Nexus S is good for people who really want to customize their Android experience and really take advantage of what Android has to offer.

For people like myself though, I just want something reliable with good hardware that can surf the net without lag, listen to some music, and have a working GPS and battery life to get through a day or day and a half.

I think that the smartphone market is moving at a pace that is too quick for it's own good. Before, if you bought a phone, it's technology would be relevant for 3-4 years. Now, a phone that came out in January could be considered obsolete. It's coming to a point that manufacturers are throwing everything and the kitchen sink into these things to try and stay ahead of each other, but these phones are only good for 1-2 years (if that) before they are rendered useless.

yep, I bought my Nexus one thinking that it would be pretty good for 3-4 years. Now my Nexus One feels so slow compared to the Arc. mine lags every once in a while or has a glitch that freezes it for a 15-20 sec.

I've only had it for maybe.. 1.5 years? Technology is moving way too quickly....

LOL. I guess that's why Symbian has a 2% market share of smartphones?

That may have been true in the past but modern phones are all quite close. Is this really something you would notice with another phone? That the call is slightly worse quality than a Nokia?

Not a smartphone = not a phone anymore. This is 2011. The number of people that purchase phones to make calls anymore is dwindling. This is no longer a selling point.

Go ahead...try to market a phone with call clarity rather than all the fancy doo-dads you have on an Android, iPhone or even Windows 7 Phone. LOL...even Nokia will tell you they're behind with their archaic technology.

1) 2% in the USA they're still like 15% in the world and this isn't including the install base and disregarding the fact that Nokia is in a transition year/s (you sound like those engadget/gizmodo tards that think the world = usa when they're the slow adopters) Apple only just overtook Nokia in smartphone shares this quarter

2) a NOK phone has more fancy doo-dads than android/iphone; people just have a problem with the UI and the maze of menus/buttons needed to be pressed before you get to those doo-dads (3 moves/buttons typically :rolleyes:)

I never mentioned OS at all, I'm talking strictly phone tasks. After all, thats what a phone does right? Make calls.

Im not denying that they're behind, which is also why Im no longer using a symbian phone. However anyone that denies Nokia has the best call quality is delusional.

If Nokia adopts android, I'm all in.

IMO the reasons why iphones are so popular are

1) They're simple to use. If you've used an ipod touch, you've used an iphone. If you havent, you can learn in 2 minutes.

2) It seems to be the trendy thing to do, whenever something is "hot" people will jump on it regardless of whether its as reliable as another brand or not.

But that's just my opinion

you guys need to check out my N8 and N9 thread :swear: :D

;) (Noks even have the HD Call feature built-in already waiting for Telecoms to adopt it some have in europe and supposedly WIND is adopting it too or has)

No Android for Nokia. At least not in the foreseeable future. They're stuck with MS WP7.

I'd return to being a Nokia Fanboy if they adopted android. That would be amazing!

Or if they made a remake of the 8801 or Luna, those were such sleek phones

No. Phones are no longer phones. I guarantee you that the majority of people that buy smartphones now aren't buying them to make phone calls and if they are, phone call quality is not at the top of their priorities. All my phone calls are about a minute long, mostly when I need to reach someone right that minute. Otherwise, text, Whatsapp, Twitter, Facebook, etc are more convenient. Find me a commercial on TV now that boasts good call quality that's from a phone maker rather than a carrier. Why do you think there's talk of "minutes" being dropped altogether and carriers just offering data instead? Making an actual call is just part of what a phone does now and it isn't even the most important part anymore. Look at all the recent updates to smartphone OSes...how many of the updated features are for calls?

It's an afterthought because as long as it gets through and you can ask "Hey, where are you?" and you can hear your friend say "At Starbucks in the back table.", that's just good enough. I don't need to hear them like they're standing next to me. Why on earth does call clarity matter now?

The OS is all that matters now as hardware is either proprietary (Apple) or mostly standardized (Android) and if Nokia refuses to adopt Android as their system, they're going to continue to fall in market share. Purchasing anything but an iPhone or an Android phone these days is just spending money on inferior technology.

Right...so the OS is terrible. That's like saying "Oh, my car has 800HP but the steering wheel is a donut and I have to sit on a pile of rocks instead of a Recaro. WHAT? Of course you can't replace the donut or the rocks with stuff that actually works." Awful OS = useless phone.

Also, the majority of Nokia's market share is from the free bullshit entry level phones carriers give away as a signing bonus, I'm sure.

Trying to defend Nokia is just going down with a sinking ship. They fell from 38% to 15% in a year while Apple and Samsung passed into 1st and 2nd. I'm sure HTC isn't far behind.

Its a matter of opinion on if you find the menu structure annoying (considering that Nokia only just got dethroned i guess the majority of the world didn't/doesn't have an issue with it)

Again, you're wrong that marketshare is for the Smartphone line as in Nokia N8, C7, X7 etc

you're speaking about what nokia marks as the "Feature Phone" or "Dumbphoone" line and if you include that into Nokias market share than Nokia will have like 80% market share in the world because they sell roughly 500million "feature phones" a year although sales this year are lower too in the featurephone sector

I agree Nokia is plummeting into nothingness and I blame Elop for that
but this really a different argument than the quality of the phone

Nokia ORO is the new Luna


and have you seen MeeGo? its better than Android and its going to be supported and has access to all Android apps etc

The world didn't have many options until this year. This was the year that Android and Apple made huge leaps in both hardware and software with the iPhone 4, the latest generation Android phones and upcoming updates. Nokia was easily available everywhere and has been for years. For the market to shift so drastically in a year says a lot about how far behind Nokia is falling. It's not a matter of opinion. It would be if market trends said otherwise but the numbers are there.

It's not even the OS experience. Android and Apple simply have far more support. How many app developers bother to do so for Symbian? Look at the REVscene app. I doubt we'll ever bother with Symbian and BB since they're just dying technologies.

Again, I'm sure Nokia hardware is just fine but if they don't adopt Android or create something better, they're going to get destroyed in the next few years.

The thing is that most of your posts here have been arguments of opinion....No one person can say which feature is better or worse...it's different for each individual. And generalizations have no merit in this argument either. We can't speak for other people and tell them what to like and decide which feature is more important.

And based on the fact that almost all reviews of all phones rate the quality of sound, I would have to say that it is most likely still something that people are concerned with. I personally noticed a difference in sound quality from my iPhone 4, Nexus One, Nexus S and SGII and was able to distinguish that each of these phones had a different caliber of speaker/sound quality. (Nexus S being the clear winner).

Once again, you're debating something that is a matter of sheer opinion. It is by no means a fact.

If you want to argue about why their market share dropped that's a totally different issue

and you can't say its simply because Android and Apple finally released competent devices i dont even think that's true; maybe for Apple but not Android

and there are many other reasons as to why Nokia has been plummeting like Elop announcing the death of Symbian even though it will be supported until at least 2016 (notice sales started to plummet after Elops announcement

the fact that there hasn't been a significant device release since last year (just announcements and the beginnings of mid-level device releases) because Nokia is in "transition" mode


this is also a different issue.

Nokia never had a real consolidated App store (there were attempts back in the day); Apps that were available were really just scattered across the internet; there is/was a vast library of apps but not a 1 stop shop and so developers didn't see a market for Nokia due to the lack of that + the difficulties in coding for earlier versions of Symbian

with the Introduction of Symbian^3 and QT plus the Ovi Store, growth in developer support and apps in a consolidated store front skyrocketed

in the span of 3 months 20,000 apps were introduced and Ovi Store downloads per day was growing in the millions per day (2.5mn) (the Ovi Store is very profitable)

That's why we have apps and games that are on Android/Apple store on the Ovi Store (running on "inferior" hardware too btw)


Even after Elops telling all Developers to "Fuck Off" after his Infamous announcement (about wp7 and end of sym) the Ovi Store continued to grow, and fast, because all the developers that were signing on with QT/Symbian were/are finishing their projects

today the Ovi Store garners over 7 Million downloads/purchases A Day and well over 50,000 apps and this is 5 months after Elop telling everyone to go to hell (+ there are still a plethora of apps available outside of the Ovi Store)


so although i can understand the view that developers don't support Nokia / Symbian because that looked to be very very true (and may be true in the near future as well) but that's a very uninformed viewpoint


but i agree Nokia is sinking into the bottom of the barrel and its all Elops fault imo and the BoD that are too afraid to pull him out now

So what you're saying is Nokia is falling behind....

that ORO is hideous.

we agree on the results but not the 'because of' :D

So the Nokia is not the best phone available then...