Filipina maid wins landmark Hong Kong case

[Anjew]

its so ironic to listen to all these fucking hypocrites here.

Most of the Hongers here in vancouver are also IMMIGRANTS, do you see a discrimination in our system like in HK?

We're in the 21st century, that is an archaic system of the past... hope the government's appeal gets shot down.

[Drow]

Originally Posted by Anjew

you speak like a fucking racist yourself.

.....


oh and the dirty slang "Bun mui"(flip girl) is part of the everyday language and people say it like its nothing.

Yah dude in modern chinese culture ( at least for hongers ), chinese people who are called buns take offense

[SFUguy]

Originally Posted by Anjew

its so ironic to listen to all these fucking hypocrites here.

Most of the Hongers here in vancouver are also IMMIGRANTS, do you see a discrimination in our system like in HK?

We're in the 21st century, that is an archaic system of the past... hope the government's appeal gets shot down.

Canada NEEDS immigrants. Have you ever been to Hong Kong? It's packed like sardines.

[Ronin]

Sounds like the maids want to be treated fairly even though their relaxed immigration process makes it incredibly easy to get in the country and stay.

Sounds like the people in Hong Kong don't want to treat their maids like humans and also don't want them to populate HK with their families.

That sounds like a douchey move on the part of HK, really but I sort of understand. Unlike here in Canada where there are many, many different cultures, HK really only has one large dominant one and want to keep their individuality and identity. I get it.

The solution? DON'T HAVE A FUCKING MAID, YOU LAZY HONGERS. Dammit, if Chinese people could be bothered to do their own laundry and make their own dinner, then this wouldn't be an issue. Filipino maids in HK are treated little better than slaves. Seriously, this is damned near slavery in the 21st century. Just don't have a maid and maybe more Chinese kids will be less freakin' wimpy if they had to toast their own Pop Tarts.

[StylinRed]

^^ they could easily hire chinese housekeepers but they're too cheap/prejudiced to do so


and HK really isnt dominant to chinese though... its filled with brits/indians/pakis/south east asians/mainlanders (although chinese hongers like to think they're better than them) all of whom are treated like shit by hongers (except the whites although they have their racist terms for them anyway)

as you can tell i dont really like the bigoted/racist hongers which seem to make up a major portion of them which is why i havent been back to hk in ages even though we have a place there


if the govt wanted they should just legislate it so that its next to impossible to enter the country to work as a maid/butler but then the hongers would be against that too because they dont want to hire hongers to work as housekeepers


ended up being a bit of a rant sorry

[SkinnyPupp]

HK is hardly "filled with" other races. The population is 95% chinese. The next largest ethnicity is actually Filipino at 2%. "westerners" only make up 0.5% of the population.

Also hk does need immigrants. The birth rate is less than half what it needs to be to sustain a productively aged population. Eventually, the majority of the population will be useless seniors.
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[jimmerz]

Originally Posted by Drow

there was this one maid who i really liked... she bought me a lot of toys and treated me almost like her own son



and there was that other one that would lock me in the fucking closet.

random
but this made me lol

[scottsman]

one got caught fucking with other lesbian maid in the house

pics or it didnt happen.

[Nocardia]

Originally Posted by Audi-Quattro

The maids knew that they were not given the right to permanent residency when they were applying for their visas.

So what makes them think they DESERVE this right all of a sudden?

Hong Kong people are not necessarily against this whole issue because of racism.

They are more concerned about these people coming in and taking away their things; those things can be social welfare, health care, jobs, and etc.

I am really hoping for the government to succeed in appealing because it would just be disastrous to the society when these maids start coming in and bring their fucking husbands and children to live in Hong Kong.

Came into this thread with the hopes that everyone would be for this verdict. Yet I find comments like this.
Immigration is for people finding a better life elsewhere. Do you believe that there are not currently chinese/african/japanese/russian/australian/american in Vancouver that are taking away jobs/social welfare/health care/ect.? Vancouver and North America was built on immigration and although not necessarily their right, they have earned the ability to become residents because the fact they have a job and contribute to society. Why do your ancestors deserve the RIGHT to have you reside here?

With such ignorant comments, I wish natural selection would work quicker.

[PiuYi]

this thread made me realize RS'ers really like to give verdicts on shit they know absolutely nothing about

[Tim Budong]

Originally Posted by Nocardia

Came into this thread with the hopes that everyone would be for this verdict. Yet I find comments like this.
Immigration is for people finding a better life elsewhere. Do you believe that there are not currently chinese/african/japanese/russian/australian/american in Vancouver that are taking away jobs/social welfare/health care/ect.? Vancouver and North America was built on immigration and although not necessarily their right, they have earned the ability to become residents because the fact they have a job and contribute to society. Why do your ancestors deserve the RIGHT to have you reside here?

With such ignorant comments, I wish natural selection would work quicker.

The maids in hong kong may posses the ability to contribute to society in hong kong, but this is the truth

Will the people in Hong Kong give these maids a chance. In their minds, home grown product will always triumph over the minority.

[RFlush]

Originally Posted by Ronin

The solution? DON'T HAVE A FUCKING MAID, YOU LAZY HONGERS. Dammit, if Chinese people could be bothered to do their own laundry and make their own dinner, then this wouldn't be an issue. Filipino maids in HK are treated little better than slaves. Seriously, this is damned near slavery in the 21st century. Just don't have a maid and maybe more Chinese kids will be less freakin' wimpy if they had to toast their own Pop Tarts.

You really have no clue what you are talking about, like most of your posts. You should just STFU before you make yourself look like more of an idiot.

There are barely any daycare centres in HK and there aren't many children facilities for parents. The majority of the HK population live on less than $20,000HKD ($2,700CDN) per month dual income with a huge cost going to rent. Unlike in Canada with many stay at home months with what is it, 10 months maternity leave, people in HK don't have that luxury. If they were to send their kids to daycare, it would be more than $3,500HKD (the cost of hiring a FDH) so it's not economical for them to do so.

Not only that, by employing a FDH it helps provide jobs for those who come to HK for more money. These FDH aren't forced into slavery, they come here on their own will and come because its MORE money for them. It allows them to provide for their homes back in their country of origin.

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Originally Posted by Nocardia

Came into this thread with the hopes that everyone would be for this verdict. Yet I find comments like this.
Immigration is for people finding a better life elsewhere. Do you believe that there are not currently chinese/african/japanese/russian/australian/american in Vancouver that are taking away jobs/social welfare/health care/ect.? Vancouver and North America was built on immigration and although not necessarily their right, they have earned the ability to become residents because the fact they have a job and contribute to society. Why do your ancestors deserve the RIGHT to have you reside here?

With such ignorant comments, I wish natural selection would work quicker.

Take off your Western lens for a minute and look at Canada. This country does not just "let" anyone in that wants a better life for themselves (if we did, im sure every person in a developing country would want to come). While in theory, you are right that many immigrants do leave for a better life, today's immigrants are screened and let in based on the ones that fit the criteria or ones that they have to based on the UN convention of refugees. I assume this fact would give them the legitimacy to be here, which includes future generations. In addition, the two countries pursue different policies, how do you compare apples to oranges?

[asian_XL]

We are better off if the Filipino maids could never come to HK. At least our chicks could stay in the kitchen, it makes our living much more easy. Also it keeps Central clean on Sunday

[Ronin]

Originally Posted by RFlush

You really have no clue what you are talking about, like most of your posts. You should just STFU before you make yourself look like more of an idiot.

There are barely any daycare centres in HK and there aren't many children facilities for parents. The majority of the HK population live on less than $20,000HKD ($2,700CDN) per month dual income with a huge cost going to rent. Unlike in Canada with many stay at home months with what is it, 10 months maternity leave, people in HK don't have that luxury. If they were to send their kids to daycare, it would be more than $3,500HKD (the cost of hiring a FDH) so it's not economical for them to do so.

Not only that, by employing a FDH it helps provide jobs for those who come to HK for more money. These FDH aren't forced into slavery, they come here on their own will and come because its MORE money for them. It allows them to provide for their homes back in their country of origin.

What? There 10-month maternity leave in HK...but regardless, the point is that Filipino maids are treated incredibly poorly in a very second class citizen way. I've been to people's houses and seen the maid rooms that are literally closet-sized. If they're not outright mistreated, they're disregarded and seen as less than a person. They might be receiving higher pay than they would in their homeland but they're still being exploited and marginalized. It's obviously not slavery...they're being paid but the conditions aren't much better. The stories told in this thread about maids being mistreated aren't uncommon. Daycare expense might force many families to hire help but case such as this one reveal how much they want to keep these people under their foot rather than allowing them additional rights.

To be honest, what happens to Filipino maids has no real effect on me but seeing and hearing how they're treated in Hong Kong, I can't help but enjoy seeing their employers all pissed.

[Ronin]

Originally Posted by asian_XL

We are better off if the Filipino maids could never come to HK. At least our chicks could stay in the kitchen, it makes our living much more easy. Also it keeps Central clean on Sunday

:IDL

[Culverin]

Originally Posted by asian_XL

Also it keeps Central clean on Sunday

I'm confused.

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Originally Posted by Culverin

I'm confused.

I didn't grow up in HK, but from my travels there, central is one of the busiest places (for tourists and citizens alike) and also one of the well-known train stops. Sunday is also the day that Philippino maids have as a day off, and as such they tend to all hang out in large groups. When I say hang out, its not the typical kind of gathering you have here, where people usually bring only themselves. Since its usually more like a picnic, and due to their size, it can be seem a bit unsightly in some areas, so there are restrictions on where they can congregate. When I was there, they were not allowed to gather in the park because it would interfere with HK citizens right to enjoy the park, thus you tend to see them congregated under bridges or other permitted areas.

[Mr.HappySilp]

It really depends. My aunt in HK have a Filipina maid and I think we treated her pretty well. When my aunts comes back to Van she usually brings the maid with her and go on vacation and stuff. We trested her pretty nice as well. I think my aunt even borrow some money to the maid to help her build a house or something. But then again she been working like 10+ years.

[bing]

It seems that the concern is that the maids are not going through the proper immigration channel to apply for residency and the effect it could have on existing social programs. I say this next paragraph based on the assumption that because HK housing is expensive, it may be unlikely they could afford to take care of themselves and their family if they brought them over. Most likely they, children, or husband do not have any recognized education, so they could not get very good jobs thus leading to an influx of claims for social supports and possibly depress the wages in jobs they can get (as they would be willing to work for less possibly). I don't know if they still do this, but back in my parents generation, if you can't study (shitty grades or no motivation), they put you in trades programs immediately at a young age (say 16 y/o). University in HK is also hard to get in and quite expensive<--? While I don't condone the bad treatment of maids (I treat them like people when I stay at friends places), I just think that an issue that could be this important to a whole society should not be decided based on how people feel about how maids are seen in society and how some of them are treated badly.

Regardless of how you feel about this issue, I think we can all recognize the sacrifices these maids are willing to give up in order to provide for their families is truly admirable. Many of them lose their husbands (b/c they cheat since many don't work and their wives can't visit them very regularly), yet they still think its worth it for the future of their children.

[MoBettah]

They majority of maids are treated well, even if they weren't they would still be leaving that corrupt poor shit hole of a home country in droves because they make 10x more and live 10x better in HK.

My family doesn't have filipino maids (ours are from the mainland), but if we did we'd treat them just like distant family, they do take care of the kids after all.

There certainly needs to be a defined process for Filipino maids to become full permanent residents, it just can't be under the same process as it is for other immigrants. This is only fair as their entrance and work visa standards are different from a regular immigrant.

[bing]

Originally Posted by Ronin

What? There 10-month maternity leave in HK...but regardless, the point is that Filipino maids are treated incredibly poorly in a very second class citizen way. I've been to people's houses and seen the maid rooms that are literally closet-sized. If they're not outright mistreated, they're disregarded and seen as less than a person. They might be receiving higher pay than they would in their homeland but they're still being exploited and marginalized. It's obviously not slavery...they're being paid but the conditions aren't much better. The stories told in this thread about maids being mistreated aren't uncommon. Daycare expense might force many families to hire help but case such as this one reveal how much they want to keep these people under their foot rather than allowing them additional rights.

To be honest, what happens to Filipino maids has no real effect on me but seeing and hearing how they're treated in Hong Kong, I can't help but enjoy seeing their employers all pissed.

I have seen some of the maid's quarters too, but I assume that since the majority of people don't live in houses, and are in apartment's it is just not feasible. It's easy for us living here to say, since we have so much more room, but in HK, the price per sq ft is high. That might explain why, as DarthChilli suggested, developers can offer better maids quarters as part of the package because land in the NT is cheaper.

Whether you see it as exploitation or not, it happens everywhere. Anyone remember the $6 "training wage"? Yes, this can happen locally as well. I don't think its so much a matter of race, as I have known Philippino business men who bring over other philippinos as labour and paid the worker what I considered dirt. So it has nothing to do with race, and everything to do with human nature willing to use opportunities to their benefit.

[Ronin]

Originally Posted by Culverin

I'm confused.

Maids hang out together on their day off. On Sundays, you'll see tons of them gathered just around, hanging out, eating, etc.

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Originally Posted by MoBettah

They majority of maids are treated well, even if they weren't they would still be leaving that corrupt poor shit hole of a home country in droves because they make 10x more and live 10x better in HK.

My family doesn't have filipino maids (ours are from the mainland), but if we did we'd treat them just like distant family, they do take care of the kids after all.

There certainly needs to be a defined process for Filipino maids to become full permanent residents, it just can't be under the same process as it is for other immigrants. This is only fair as their entrance and work visa standards are different from a regular immigrant.

Exactly, the bigger question is, WHY ISN'T THE PHILIPPINE GOVERNMENT DOING MORE FOR ITS PEOPLE?

[bing]

Originally Posted by PiuYi

this thread made me realize RS'ers really like to give verdicts on shit they know absolutely nothing about

Glad you woke up, this actually happens in a lot of threads. You get tons of misinformed, uneducated, or illogical comments. Taylor pointed this out, and based on the 2006 census only ~28% (25-34 age bracket) of the population have at least a bachelor's degree. It's even worse ~18% when you count the population from 15 and up. Plus you need to factor out those who slept through school and didn't learn anything. Not saying you need an education to be knowledgeable, but it tends to help a lot. The great thing is, if you have half a brain, you can evaluate every comment and know which ones to never take seriously.