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Hong Kong's High Court has ruled that a law banning foreign maids from settling permanently in the city was
unconstitutional, in a landmark case for the city's domestic helpers.
The High Court said immigration laws barring maids from applying for permanent residency violated Hong Kong's municipal charter, known as the Basic Law.
The case was brought by Evangeline Banao Vallejos, who has lived in Hong Kong since 1986. The ruling could lead to more than 100,000 other foreign maids winning rights to residency.
The case has sparked widespread debate on equal treatment for foreign maids.
Critics of the ruling say granting residency to domestic workers would strain the provision of health care, education and public housing.
Immigration laws exclude domestic helpers from seeking permanent residency, while other non-Chinese nationals can obtain residency after working in the city for seven years.
Human rights lawyers and many household workers argue that this is discriminatory.
There are more than 300,000 foreign domestic helpers in Hong Kong, mainly from Indonesia and the Philippines. It is thought that around 120,000 have lived here for more than seven years.
Domestic workers from outside Hong Kong are required to live with their employers and cannot accept other jobs.
Without the right to permanent residency, if a maid is dismissed by her employer, she must find another job as a domestic helper or leave Hong Kong within two weeks.
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now the question is do those maids want to stay in HK in the first place. Of course there are some who want to stay, but a lot of them have family in Philippines, Indonesia, Malaysia, or wherever they came from. They are just here for the money and will be gone & live in in a mansion in their own countries once they make enough.
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now the question is do those maids want to stay in HK in the first place. Of course there are some who want to stay, but a lot of them have family in Philippines, Indonesia, Malaysia, or wherever they came from. They are just here for the money and will be gone & live in in a mansion in their own countries once they make enough.
In Canada and other industrialized areas in the world, you have the upper class, middle class, and lower class. In 3rd world countries like the Philippines, you have Class A,B,C,D,E. A and B would be what upper and middle class folks here in Canada would make. C,D,E are the lower classes. These maids would help propel their income from E to D or C.
the maids are always treated like shit by hongers and their ability to stay in HK was always used against them; glad she won
I feel for these people, the maids are treated like shit even when they go back to the Philippines. The social class they belong to is still at the lower echelons of the social ladder in the Philippines.
For every hallmark-moment happy ending story of how a maid is treated well by her employers in HK, there's a couple more where she is treated like shit. Granted, the employee may have not been doing her job well. The most you do is terminate them, not abuse them. In the Philippines, it's just as bad, except they get paid less.
the maids are always treated like shit by hongers and their ability to stay in HK was always used against them; glad she won
I'm glad too, but the truth is, they have very relaxed entry requirements in the first place. So it is kind of 'unbalanced' to let them do so. For most people (like myself) to be allowed to stay here, we have to secure a decently paying job, and show skills and/or education. For them, they just need to be hired as a maid.
That is what complicates things, in my opinion. Of course, for most people here the issue is race, which is sad
Also, if you have never lived here or know any hongers, they really do treat their maids BRUTALLY. Of course there are the extreme cases of torture and mistreatment, but I think even OVERALL, most don't think of their maids as being human.
Even our friends, they don't treat them excessively poorly, but they do not consider them equals. For instance, my wife likes to bake, and give baked goods to our friends when we visit them. If they have a maid, she always makes sure that there is enough for everyone. But we often get "why would the maid want this?" or something to that effect. I have also visited places where the maid quarters are no bigger than a closet. Just a bed, with shelves above it. In one case, the made has JUST a bed, which slid out from the wall like a drawer.
And one time my wife was so upset she was crying furiously, as she overheard someone at a nail salon or something, talking about her maid as if she wasn't even a human.
I could go on forever with upsetting instances like this since moving here in 2006. It is pretty bad. So when they get a victory like this, with a chance to make it as something other than someone's pseudo-slave, it makes me happy.
now the question is do those maids want to stay in HK in the first place. Of course there are some who want to stay, but a lot of them have family in Philippines, Indonesia, Malaysia, or wherever they came from. They are just here for the money and will be gone & live in in a mansion in their own countries once they make enough.
Immigrants that came from India had a plan to come to Canada make a bunch of money and go back. But most ended up staying her because the quality of live was much better and there was a lot more opportunity for there kids.
Some people from are village in India who lived in Canada decided to retire in India and built a huge house. In two years they stayed there for 7 days. Ran right back to Canada.
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The maids knew that they were not given the right to permanent residency when they were applying for their visas.
So what makes them think they DESERVE this right all of a sudden?
Hong Kong people are not necessarily against this whole issue because of racism.
They are more concerned about these people coming in and taking away their things; those things can be social welfare, health care, jobs, and etc.
I am really hoping for the government to succeed in appealing because it would just be disastrous to the society when these maids start coming in and bring their fucking husbands and children to live in Hong Kong.
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Also, if you have never lived here or know any hongers, they really do treat their maids BRUTALLY. Of course there are the extreme cases of torture and mistreatment, but I think even OVERALL, most don't think of their maids as being human.
i think this not only applies to hongers, but others as well. my grandmother in the philippines treats her maids fairly harshly. my family sometimes has to tell her to ease off. when i was living there with my parents, we treated our maids with respect. heck, gave them days off, helped them and their families with what they needed, etc. overall, they're still like us and are earning a living.
The whole entire society in HK view maids as trash. Its a known fact, especially when the communication between the family and the maid is non existent.
There are laws/rules in place to protect these maids from abuse, but many are too scared to say anything because they don't want to go home as most are in hong kong to provide for their families in the first place.
Infact, the number of filipina maids in hong kong is decreasing as India and Indonesian maids are apparently cheaper.
Given this fact, there are in fact many Indians, Islams, and White People like SkinnyPupp who CONTRIBUTE to the overall well being of the Hong Kong People, yet get almost next to nothing in return in terms of social benefits. <--- (Thats what my mother thinks when we went over this issue over dinner today... shes very proud of the people in hk that can live a normal life... in which case, she goes on to say why arnt u back in hk all this BS)
aside from that, theres nothing witty, knowledgable or informative that I can provide into this subject.
Growing up in HK, our family had a maid, but we lived out in the NT by fairview gardens. We actually gave the maid a room.
Now when I go back, i see that a selling feature to a brand new apartment is the maid quarters..it disgusts me
As an analogy to what Audi-Quattro has said, yea most ppl in HK are afraid that their social benefits will disappear. No one wants to see Central everyday like its Sunday in HK
I never understood why people would want to treat their maids like shit. They take care of your house/apartment, children, personal property, etc... Would you really want to piss someone off that has that much access to your life and family. In some cases they interact more with the children than the parents do.
Perhaps when maids move to another country they are more vulnerable but I have always treated mine like family and never had any issues.
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I never understood why people would want to treat their maids like shit. They take care of your house/apartment, children, personal property, etc... Would you really want to piss someone off that has that much access to your life and family. In some cases they interact more with the children than the parents do.
Perhaps when maids move to another country they are more vulnerable but I have always treated mine like family and never had any issues.
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i think this not only applies to hongers, but others as well. my grandmother in the philippines treats her maids fairly harshly. my family sometimes has to tell her to ease off. when i was living there with my parents, we treated our maids with respect. heck, gave them days off, helped them and their families with what they needed, etc. overall, they're still like us and are earning a living.
My family had a maid before, when I was living in Singapore. We always treated them as human beings, and why wouldn't we? They're simply working to earn hard-earned money. My parents used to work full time Mon-Fri so the maid was there to look after my brother and I, as well as keeping the house tidy. We would always give at least one day from the weekend off, sometimes even 2. We always treated each one as part of the family, and in return they work hard, without giving my parents any problems.
This was more than 10 years ago, and we only had maids from Phillipines, so I can't comment on how the ones from Indonesia and other places are. In my 10 years of growing up there, we had 4 or 5 maids, and only 1 caused us problems. In fact, my brother and I interacted quite well with one of them, and she still sends us birthday cards and well-wishes.
no one points a gun at the south-east asian maids to work in HK. Please, get your fact right, around 200,000 foreign maids in HK, that's less than 2% of the total south-east asian maids, other goes to Macau, China, Taiwan, Japan, Korea, Singapore, Malaysia, and MOST go to UK and other European countries and are making 2x more salary. They have A LOT of better choices than staying in HK.
For treating them like shit, yes and no. I do see some hongers ask their maid to work from 6am till 9pm. My family never do that to them, however, we have fired several flip maids who lived with my parents, one got caught fucking with other lesbian maid in the house, one fleed back to Phillipinno after getting a $10,000cnd loan from loan shark, one has mental issue and threatened my mom she would get killed. There are a lot of inner stories, you can't generalize all Hongers treat their maids like shit.
Anyway, back to the case, hk immigration dept had rejected 200 similar cases every year. It was the unwritten rule in HK that they can never abode in HK. They are hired under the contract to work and stay in hongers tiny house, that's why their HKID only has 1 star instead of 3 stars (Hongers). The govt's concern is 200,000 will get the right to stay in hk, if all of them bring their family along, that will be a 800,000 population boom, all the social benefits will go directly to them. We already suffer from poor Mainlanders coming to stay and rape our resources.
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The maids knew that they were not given the right to permanent residency when they were applying for their visas.
So what makes them think they DESERVE this right all of a sudden?
Hong Kong people are not necessarily against this whole issue because of racism.
They are more concerned about these people coming in and taking away their things; those things can be social welfare, health care, jobs, and etc.
I am really hoping for the government to succeed in appealing because it would just be disastrous to the society when these maids start coming in and bring their fucking husbands and children to live in Hong Kong.
you speak like a fucking racist yourself.
whats wrong with the "FUCKING" husbands and children? they would also work and pay for the taxes like any fucking honger would.....
If they get hired over a honger, who's fault is that really?
i was born in hong kong and i'm chinese... and i do NOT approve the way MOST hongers treat their maids. Its modern day slavery since its dirt cheap to keep them.
oh and the dirty slang "Bun mui"(flip girl) is part of the everyday language and people say it like its nothing.
I am really hoping for the government to succeed in appealing because it would just be disastrous to the society when these maids start coming in and bring their fucking husbands and children to live in Hong Kong.
How dare they want to be near their husbands and children. What a bunch of needy leeches, off with their heads!
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I use to have a maid, but we fired her when we started to notice our cash going missing here and there.
Now we just hire temp ones that comes twice a week to clean the house. it's much cheaper and less of a hassle.
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