i laugh everytime i read this anywhere. its so true. seen it happen 2 or 3 times.

Hear that clerks of Revscene? All you do is stand and do diddly shit!

Seriously, what makes you qualified to make such a statement? I could say the same thing about server, how hard is it to take and order and drop off a plate of food? Because they walk back and forth to the kitchen their job is SO much more difficult? You think cashiers don't take shit from customers?

what makes me qualified? i worked both as a server and as a cashier at save on foods and when your dealing with

1. hungry customers
2. picky customers
3. arrogant customers
4.impatient customers
5. slightly intoxicated customers

its much more stressful and its 10x harder because typically your serving 7-8 tables with a average of 4 guests per table that's dealing with 32 picky/hungry/arrogant customers, memorizing what each guest ordered ( they get all fussy when you hand them the wrong plate of food), making sure the cooks don't fuck up, making sure the bussers don't fuck up and take wrong plates, making sure the expos don't fuck up because every little mistake is drawn towards you (the server). Even guests that had there order mixed up tipped me because they knew i was busting my ass trying to please everyone's needs.


So don't sit there and tell me that a Safeway cashier has a harder job than a server, most Safeway cashiers are 50+, does that not tell you something?

you scan scan scan, here is your total.....plastic or paper. done.

customers only get pissed if you don't scan the coupons or accidentally double scan products.

ok to put it in your perspective, I had 20+ drivers who drive 10+ hours a day delivering food to many stores and dealing with customs at least 3x a week I can tell you right now that is MUCH harder then serving food. Why doesn't everyone who buys food at grocery stores tip my drivers for delivering their food to the store?

lets see your drivers only interaction with people when there working is with either receivers or customer right? politely ask customs and receivers to tip them? ... your drivers make more than 8.75/h and that has nothing to do with ANYTHING. Point i'm trying to make is that serving is more work and more stress than a cashier position. I didn't state that it was the hardest job in the world...

You sure the hell make it seem so.

U take order, you bring food to customer. If client finds food not up to standard, you take the food back, get cooks to redo it properly.

There's a fucking reason why your job is minimum wage, and have almost no educational and experience requirements. It's because even monkeys can do your job. Stop whining and over-dramatizing the plight of waiters and waitresses. No matter how much you polish that turd, you're still nothing but a conduit between the kitchen and the dining table.



Now, I'm not against tipping myself as I do appreciate good work and people that go above and beyond to make my dining experience at X restaurant pleasant... but I am baffled at the concept that tipping IS an unspoken societal MANDATE regardless of service quality.

The problem now is its just expected. At least half the time I go to a restaurant the service is pretty shitty, but they know they will most likely get tipped anyways. It's not a glamorous job but if you're not going to give a fuck then why should the person tipping you.
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^Your drivers probably make more than minimum wage.

Let me help Soltaa out with his argument. When I was in high school I was a bus boy at Sun Sui Wah (Ppl in the know would know that's it can get busy) and then a server at reputable white restaurants (Keg, Earls, Lift)

As a bus boy, my job was to clear dirty tables and reset them. It was hard work because you have to constantly move fast but is was quite mindless. You don't have to talk to customers if you don't want to. But because I was a keener, and this was a Chinese restaurant, often times I would get handshaked anywhere from 10 - 100 bucks just for being polite, remembering customer names getting stuff for customers without them asking. SkinnyPup mentioned this phenomenon earlier.

When I was a server the level of responsibilities tripled. I have to sell and make sure the customer gets what they ordered and at a reasonable time. I can't just go up to tables and act like a douche. I have to think about what to say, know the menu and finesse the vocabulary to make sales. All the while with managers and the head chef(kinda like a owner) breathing down your neck to make sure you're making good sale numbers. Low sales = shitty or no shifts.

Also, you have to worry about your dirty tables are cleared and reset(if you don't have a bus boy) and that your side duties(taking out trash etc.) are done. When you don't see your server around, they're not necessarily fapping in a corner, they might just be doing side duties. Servers have to time and think under pressure.

As a customer they often think they're the only ones in the restaurant, when there are other customers who also need their drinks and their food from just one kitchen and just one bar tender. It's not always the server's fault but good servers anticipate these problems. It's harder than it sounds.

To Great 68 who thinks grocery clerks deserve tip. I agree. If you work hard enough and be more thoughtful for the customer I bet they'd handshake you a 5. In fact I have seen many bag boys who bring groceries out to customers cars get their change. Usually old ppl give money.

I wouldn't go as far as shitty but it's pretty much what you'd expect as in the typical modicum is:

1. They take your order
2. They give you your food
3. If you need anything, you call them.... and then you get your service


Although, there are servers that don't just serve-and-forget. There's a few that check in on their tables from time to time to ask:

1. If everything is in order and/or
2. How is the food and/or
3. Is there anything else they can get for you.


But I don't really find that's to be standard modicum when you really think it should be (and why tipping is supposedly mandated).

You know what I tip? I tip those who I see are working hard and giving that extra umph during their shift. LOTS of waiters are waiters because they're in it for the tips. I always look out for my waiter/waitress is he/she doing their job right I see a lot of you "hard workers" standing around unless its extremely busy for that 2-4 hours of your 8 hour shift. Tipping a pizza man is a whole other story.

^oh yeah, you also have to be presentable, too. You don't want a smelly truck driver with greasy hair, untucked shirt, fingers in your drinks, talks like a 12 year old to bring you your food do you?

I'm not trying to glorify Servers but it's a little harder than what meets the eye.

Dude if you think that's so hard or you can't handle it, don't move up the occupational ladder; any corporate or sales oriented job. If you have any kind of ambition in you. ANY. Those things you complain of that you make sound sooooooo complex should be non-issues.

:lol

worrying about knowing menu (knowing your product)... finesse in your vocabulary, worrying about your work dynamic with management and other workers....

c'mon seriously? You're trying to convince people your plight with that?

By shitty I mean having to flag them down for ketchup when your food came with fries, them disappearing for long periods of time when all you want is to get the bill and leave, getting your food 10 minutes before the other person you are with etc.
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hes not complaining hes simply stating some of the problems you come across when your a server.

and who are you to give someone occupational advice.

Dude,

I'm just painting the picture that servers do more than your "typical modicum" of 1 to 3.

Are you trying to convince people servers should be paid the same as McDonald's employees?

If you see these server responsibilities as non issues, you're probably a really good host at your parties. Serious compliment. But let me ask you, how many shitty parties have you been to, where drinks aren't refilled, food didn't come, the host was drunk, cat hair everywhere, the house smells like farts etc.

;)

Absolutely agree with this video.
I always tip 10% as a standard, rounded to the nearest $1 or $0.50.
Why? Simply because society tells me to.

But that's as far as it goes. I don't actually agree with tipping. But some places (especially the white places) think 15% is a min, 20% is standard. That's bullshit, and maybe if your the best server in the world, would I ever tip 20%.

Anyway, I agree being a waiter/waitress can be a stressful job. It probably is more stressful than being a cashier.
So why don't they just pay the waiters more? Instead of depending on customers tipping to make up for their low salary.

The principle of tipping is flawed.

you kids that think its easy to be a server? LOL

greet customer, take order, bring food, ask how is it, give bill, clear table, set table. Easy eh? hahah think again. It's kinda like having your head cut off running around like a chicken, if shit hits the fan you're fucked.
Shades pretty much described it.

LMAO you make it sound like its not qualified for the average person. Those are simple tasks which just require alertness and physical capability. What you described are just the basic job descriptions for being a server. You should not be tipped if you did just those. If you can bring me my food and drink in a timely manner, keep my drink filled, fulfill my requests with haste, seem like a happy presentable person, check with me every now and then to see if i need anything else, THEN i would leave you a hearty tip.

Problem is most servers especially the asian ones in richmond and vancouver think tip is a requirement, regardless of how bland their service is. I just wish sometimes i could leave without a tip, and not get stared down and risk my food being shat on the next visit.

If i'm at that kind of party i'm either A. Going to make a drunken fool of myself because it's probably a ridiculous upper class clusterfuck or B. GTFO and head to the nearest house party, or fuck it, just go chill with the bros instead.

Fuck's your point? Try being responsible for people's lives...

Someone who thinks that knowing you're product, managing team dynamics with co-workers or management, and utilizing appropriate professional vocabulary for occupational or sales setting aren't complex requirements in a job setting but rather... standard.

Checkmate brah.

Are we arguing pay? or are we arguing the merits of mandating pay beyond the price of goods and services; as in gratuity.


If I go to a restaurant... any restaurant EVEN fastfood... don't I have the right to expect that the facilities are clean, the drinks available, food to arrive in their appropriate manner.

If you think it's hard being a server... you will fail at every other job up that occupational ladder.

and no, we're not kids... we're the ones who has the benefit to look years behind in retrospect in see that those "entry-level" type of jobs, with little to no responsibility and consequence... probably may be the simplest work we have done in our entire professional career.

Currently, you're failing at multi quoting....

yep. I'm pulling a taylor192