I drove through on a stripped out car on the 4th. They still checked me out too.
knight604
10-18-2012 11:30 PM
those cbsa stereotype so hard
mafiakid
10-21-2012 02:07 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by danny87
(Post 7726240)
Hey everyone, I'm super new to this website don't know if i'm posting this in the right place and what not; but i have a very IMPORTANT QUESTION to ask you guys.So... About the summertime of last year, i went to the states for a huge convention my business was hosting, and it took awhile while i got across the border :s. So when I was up to talk to the border crossing guard, the guard asked me all the normal questions and i stumbled on the one "why are you going to the states?". I started off saying that i'm going for a convention that my company is hosting and so on. AND THEN, LONG STORY SHORT, for some reason, i said that "i was getting paid while I was the convention" (FOR NO REASON I LIED TO THEM). It wasn't too long before he told me that "i wasn't allow to do that (get paid in the states). After a 2 hr waiting and questioning they let me go on to the convention. Although I admitted that it was all my fault I'm just super worried about my future situations when I have to cross the us-canada border.
NOW, its been just over a year and I have yet to go back to the states because i'm scared that they will give me a hard time. I was contemplating If I should just try crossing the border by myself to see if they will give me a hard time or not OR if i should just wait until the next i go with my friends and see if I get into a hard time then???
Do you guys have any suggestions what I should do???
what you should say next time if it comes up again. Your getting paid by your employer in Canada to attend the convention in the usa.
Happy
10-23-2012 10:59 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by InvisibleSoul
(Post 8055699)
Let's get your terms in order, so that you don't fumble your words when you get questioned.
Arrested - Being detained by an officer
Charged - Actually having charges laid against you
Convicted - Actually being convicted of a charge
So were you charged with trafficking, but not convicted? Or were you just arrested, but got let off without being charged?
If you were not charged, almost for sure the US border agent will not have a record of the incident.
If you were charged, not sure whether they have a record of it.
If you were convicted, then you're probably not getting through the border.
When I meant "accused" I meant accused for trafficking, so I was arrested, then charged, then police dropped the charges and I got everything they took back (phone, money, etc)
just like my youth charges, I got arrested, charged, then dropped twice. That was awhile ago so I'm pretty sure it's not in the system.
Not sure if the trafficking charge is the system, either way doesn't really matter to me since I'm not convicted for anything
ruthless answered most my question, I'm going head over there this weekend to fill up, I'll post what happens
thanks for the answers guys
SumAznGuy
10-23-2012 06:46 PM
If you were arrested but never charged, your name is entered into CPIC
If you were charged, your name is file is entered into Justin. It doesn't matter if you were found guilty, not guilty, or charges were dropped.
Yes, the US Homeland security does have access to CPIC and Justin but whether or not they are able to use these systems is another story.
Happy, when you try to enter the US and the border guard ask you if you have been arrested before, you have 2 choices. Tell the truth and say yes and you will be sent in for secondary interview. Or lie and say no and hope the guard doesn't run your name in the system. If you lie and get caught, you can be in a whole heap of trouble for lying.
If you told the truth, you will be sent in for secondary interview and they will ask you lots of questions about what happened. From there, you may or may not be allowed into the US. If you are not allowed into the US, then you will be flagged in their system and will require a lot of work to be allowed back into the US.
It is in your best interest to go back to the court house that you were charged at and ask them for the details from your file. With it, the officers at the border can review the info before deciding if you are allowed into the US or not.
If you are denied entry into the US, you will have to apply for the i192 waiver before trying to enter the US again.
InvisibleSoul
10-24-2012 08:19 AM
Are you 100% certain that just being arrested will get you on CPIC, and that the US border guards have access to that information?
I mean, what if it was a completely baseless arrest or arresting the wrong individual?
SumAznGuy
10-24-2012 08:26 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by InvisibleSoul
(Post 8063263)
Are you 100% certain that just being arrested will get you on CPIC, and that the US border guards have access to that information?
I mean, what if it was a completely baseless arrest or arresting the wrong individual?
Yes, I am positive. :okay:
Once you are in CPIC, you are "known" to the police.
InvisibleSoul
10-24-2012 08:37 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SumAznGuy
(Post 8063273)
Yes, I am positive. :okay:
Once you are in CPIC, you are "known" to the police.
But is every single arrest recorded in CPIC, or is it under the discretion of the officer to actually enter the information in?
SumAznGuy
10-24-2012 09:49 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by InvisibleSoul
(Post 8063277)
But is every single arrest recorded in CPIC, or is it under the discretion of the officer to actually enter the information in?
They are supposed to enter every arrest into CPIC since CPIC is shared across Canada.
k00laid
10-24-2012 11:59 AM
what about juvenile records? or voluntary arrest aka turning yourself in
twdm
10-24-2012 07:34 PM
I don't get it. Why don't you guys just cross the border and find out? Only CBSA agents are qualified to answer your questions, and anything said here is just conjecture.
If you aren't smuggling anything and declare it all, you have nothing to worry about if they search you. If you find out that they're searching you all the time, then you have one of two options:
1. Suck it up
2. Don't go to the states
And yes the agents do stereotype. If you look, dress, and talk like a punk, you better bring some lube because they're going to search every hole in your body for drugs.
If you dress respectably and are polite, most of the time they just ask you two questions and wave you through. I have never ever been asked whether I've been arrested. So if you're being asked those questions, you may have to review your dress attire and attitude.
seakrait
10-24-2012 08:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SumAznGuy
(Post 8063273)
Yes, I am positive. :okay:
Once you are in CPIC, you are "known" to the police.
JUSTIN, for those of you that don't know, is our court database section. information accessible there would be charged individuals, type of offences, court file numbers, police file numbers, appearances and reasons, results and sentencing, and any ban details.
More information is stored in local police databases like PRIME. obviously the above in addition to arrests, street checks, tickets, etc. as well as non-adverse role codes (like being a victim, complainant, witness, etc).
Quote:
Originally Posted by k00laid
(Post 8063392)
what about juvenile records? or voluntary arrest aka turning yourself in
youth records are held under the youth criminal justice act. if you were sent to youth court for a crime and you repeat that same crime within a stated period of time into your adulthood, your sealed record (note i say sealed, not purged - nothing is EVER purged really - the difference is the access period of your record) would be opened up as if you had been an adult.
as for a voluntary arrest, i'm not quite sure what difference that makes. it's whether or not you were charged.
as an aside, sometimes it's good to be charged because there is the records suspension process (previously known as "pardons") that can, if you're successful, sweep your record under the carpet during a police information check (a record check for employment, etc). if you're just arrested and the police just keep you on as a suspect on their database for that assault, that could make your life miserable down the road when it comes to those police information checks that every employer seems to want their potential employees to do as there is no way to "hide" that record like a record suspension can were you charged. also, note the name change of the process - from "pardon" to "record suspension" - read into that how you may.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Happy
(Post 8062521)
When I meant "accused" I meant accused for trafficking, so I was arrested, then charged, then police dropped the charges and I got everything they took back (phone, money, etc)
just like my youth charges, I got arrested, charged, then dropped twice. That was awhile ago so I'm pretty sure it's not in the system.
Not sure if the trafficking charge is the system, either way doesn't really matter to me since I'm not convicted for anything
ruthless answered most my question, I'm going head over there this weekend to fill up, I'll post what happens
thanks for the answers guys
which brings me to the OP. the trafficking charge is probably on CPIC under Level II access. US customs would have access to CPIC via NCIC. your youth records, depending on what the youth charges were for, might or might not be open. If you were charged for trafficking as a youth twice and then charged as an adult for trafficking, all three charges might be open for access.
And remember, the record suspension process only applies in Canada. If the US government gets that information before you have that record removed from CPIC, they'll have that information and will probably keep it forever even if you do eventually get a record suspension.
jasonturbo
10-25-2012 10:42 AM
I would just like to chime in and say the following with regards to youth records...
I had a mixed up youth (who didn't lol).. if I'm not mistaken you basically need a three year period with no convictions in order to have your record "sealed".. though I could swear the writing in the youth criminal justice act said "sealed and destroyed".
By three year period what I mean is this; say you got arrested xx crime and were sentenced to 1 year in jail followed by one year of probation and 5000$ in fines. The three year period starts after you have met all of the conditions of your sentence, so until you do your time, complete probation, and pay fine.. the clock does not start ticking down. Once you have met all of the conditions, if you can make it three years without being convicted of an offense, the youth criminal act states that your youth record will be sealed - and as I said above.. destroyed if I'm not mistaken. Even if they don't destroy it, they can never actually use it against you in a court of law if you met the conditions I listed above. (Again.. if I'm not mistaken)
Now having said all that, even after my childhood issues ended and I transitioned into adulthood, I certainly fell into the "known to police" category due to some of the people I surrounded myself with. On one occasions I was even casually questioned over the phone and the police requested that I provide a statement - I never did provide a statement. I believe the police were after something and simply hoping I was stupid enough to give them the answers they couldn't figure out themselves.
Fast forward to me crossing the border, I have crossed dozens of times and never had a single issue. Note that I was never charged as an adult, never convicted, and did meet the three year "good behavior" requirement to have my record sealed.
Oddly though, just about every time I have ever crossed the border.. thay ask me if I have ever been to Portland.. There must be some psycho from Portland with the same name as me...
To add another twist to this, in 2007 I was driving a freshly purchased STI back from LA and got arrested for dangerous driving in NORCAL. After a couple hours I was released on a promise to appear, drove non stop to WA and only a few minutes from the my rest stop, I got a gnarly speeding ticket worth 500$ - rough day. I did get a lawyer for the Cali case, guilty plea deal w/ a big fine took care of that, the WA ticket I didin't pay until 2011. Neither of these instances created any border issues for me :)
Psykopathik
10-25-2012 12:24 PM
use the code words "Praise Allah" after each sentence.
you'll get through no problem, they will even escort you.
SumAznGuy
10-25-2012 01:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jasonturbo
(Post 8064267)
if I'm not mistaken you basically need a three year period with no convictions in order to have your record "sealed".. though I could swear the writing in the youth criminal justice act said "sealed and destroyed".
They recently changed it to 5 years for adults with conditional discharges. Not sure if the same 5 years applies to youth.
JUSTIN, for those of you that don't know, is our court database section. information accessible there would be charged individuals, type of offences, court file numbers, police file numbers, appearances and reasons, results and sentencing, and any ban details.
More information is stored in local police databases like PRIME. obviously the above in addition to arrests, street checks, tickets, etc. as well as non-adverse role codes (like being a victim, complainant, witness, etc).
Good to know. I know CPIC is private and not open to the public, but was told by many people in the court houses that it was. Maybe they mistook PRIME with CPIC.
JUSTIN is open to the public. There are public terminals at the court houses where people can look things up. They use to have huge binders with computer print outs of the names and file numbers.
seakrait
10-26-2012 10:05 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SumAznGuy
(Post 8064367)
They recently changed it to 5 years for adults with conditional discharges. Not sure if the same 5 years applies to youth.
119. (1) Subject to subsections (4) to (6), from the date that a record is created until the end of the applicable period set out in subsection (2), the following persons, on request, shall be given access to a record kept under section 114, and may be given access to a record kept under sections 115 and 116:
(a) the young person to whom the record relates;
(b) the young person’s counsel, or any representative of that counsel;
(c) the Attorney General;
(d) the victim of the offence or alleged offence to which the record relates;
(e) the parents of the young person, during the course of any proceedings relating to the offence or alleged offence to which the record relates or during the term of any youth sentence made in respect of the offence;
(f) any adult assisting the young person under subsection 25(7), during the course of any proceedings relating to the offence or alleged offence to which the record relates or during the term of any youth sentence made in respect of the offence;
(g) any peace officer for
(i) law enforcement purposes, or
(ii) any purpose related to the administration of the case to which the record relates, during the course of proceedings against the young person or the term of the youth sentence;
(h) a judge, court or review board, for any purpose relating to proceedings against the young person, or proceedings against the person after he or she becomes an adult, in respect of offences committed or alleged to have been committed by that person;
(i) the provincial director, or the director of the provincial correctional facility for adults or the penitentiary at which the young person is serving a sentence;
(j) a person participating in a conference or in the administration of extrajudicial measures, if required for the administration of the case to which the record relates;
(k) a person acting as ombudsman, privacy commissioner or information commissioner, whatever his or her official designation might be, who in the course of his or her duties under an Act of Parliament or the legislature of a province is investigating a complaint to which the record relates;
(l) a coroner or a person acting as a child advocate, whatever his or her official designation might be, who is acting in the course of his or her duties under an Act of Parliament or the legislature of a province;
(m) a person acting under the Firearms Act;
(n) a member of a department or agency of a government in Canada, or of an organization that is an agent of, or under contract with, the department or agency, who is
(i) acting in the exercise of his or her duties under this Act,
(ii) engaged in the supervision or care of the young person, whether as a young person or an adult, or in an investigation related to the young person under an Act of the legislature of a province respecting child welfare,
(iii) considering an application for conditional release, or for a record suspension under the Criminal Records Act, made by the young person, whether as a young person or an adult,
(iv) administering a prohibition order made under an Act of Parliament or the legislature of a province, or
(v) administering a youth sentence, if the young person has been committed to custody and is serving the custody in a provincial correctional facility for adults or a penitentiary;
(o) a person, for the purpose of carrying out a criminal record check required by the Government of Canada or the government of a province or a municipality for purposes of employment or the performance of services, with or without remuneration;
(p) an employee or agent of the Government of Canada, for statistical purposes under the Statistics Act;
(q) an accused or his or her counsel who swears an affidavit to the effect that access to the record is necessary to make a full answer and defence;
(r) a person or a member of a class of persons designated by order of the Governor in Council, or the lieutenant governor in council of the appropriate province, for a purpose and to the extent specified in the order; and
(s) any person or member of a class of persons that a youth justice court judge considers has a valid interest in the record, to the extent directed by the judge, if the judge is satisfied that access to the record is
(i) desirable in the public interest for research or statistical purposes, or
(ii) desirable in the interest of the proper administration of justice.
Period of access
(2) The period of access referred to in subsection (1) is
(a) if an extrajudicial sanction is used to deal with the young person, the period ending two years after the young person consents to be subject to the sanction in accordance with paragraph 10(2)(c);
(b) if the young person is acquitted of the offence otherwise than by reason of a verdict of not criminally responsible on account of mental disorder, the period ending two months after the expiry of the time allowed for the taking of an appeal or, if an appeal is taken, the period ending three months after all proceedings in respect of the appeal have been completed;
(c) if the charge against the young person is dismissed for any reason other than acquittal, the charge is withdrawn, or the young person is found guilty of the offence and a reprimand is given, the period ending two months after the dismissal, withdrawal, or finding of guilt;
(d) if the charge against the young person is stayed, with no proceedings being taken against the young person for a period of one year, at the end of that period;
(e) if the young person is found guilty of the offence and the youth sentence is an absolute discharge, the period ending one year after the young person is found guilty;
(f) if the young person is found guilty of the offence and the youth sentence is a conditional discharge, the period ending three years after the young person is found guilty;
(g) subject to paragraphs (i) and (j) and subsection (9), if the young person is found guilty of the offence and it is a summary conviction offence, the period ending three years after the youth sentence imposed in respect of the offence has been completed;
(h) subject to paragraphs (i) and (j) and subsection (9), if the young person is found guilty of the offence and it is an indictable offence, the period ending five years after the youth sentence imposed in respect of the offence has been completed;
(i) subject to subsection (9), if, during the period calculated in accordance with paragraph (g) or (h), the young person is found guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction committed when he or she was a young person, the latest of
(i) the period calculated in accordance with paragraph (g) or (h), as the case may be, and
(ii) the period ending three years after the youth sentence imposed for that offence has been completed; and
(j) subject to subsection (9), if, during the period calculated in accordance with paragraph (g) or (h), the young person is found guilty of an indictable offence committed when he or she was a young person, the period ending five years after the sentence imposed for that indictable offence has been completed.
Prohibition orders not included
(3) Prohibition orders made under an Act of Parliament or the legislature of a province, including any order made under section 51, shall not be taken into account in determining any period referred to in subsection (2).
Extrajudicial measures
(4) Access to a record kept under section 115 or 116 in respect of extrajudicial measures, other than extrajudicial sanctions, used in respect of a young person shall be given only to the following persons for the following purposes:
(a) a peace officer or the Attorney General, in order to make a decision whether to again use extrajudicial measures in respect of the young person;
(b) a person participating in a conference, in order to decide on the appropriate extrajudicial measure;
(c) a peace officer, the Attorney General or a person participating in a conference, if access is required for the administration of the case to which the record relates; and
(d) a peace officer for the purpose of investigating an offence.
Exception
(5) When a youth justice court has withheld all or part of a report from any person under subsection 34(9) or (10) (nondisclosure of medical or psychological report) or 40(7) (nondisclosure of pre-sentence report), that person shall not be given access under subsection (1) to that report or part.
Records of assessments or forensic DNA analysis
(6) Access to a report made under section 34 (medical and psychological reports) or a record of the results of forensic DNA analysis of a bodily substance taken from a young person in execution of a warrant issued under section 487.05 of the Criminal Code may be given only under paragraphs (1)(a) to (c), (e) to (h) and (q) and subparagraph (1)(s)(ii).
Introduction into evidence
(7) Nothing in paragraph (1)(h) or (q) authorizes the introduction into evidence of any part of a record that would not otherwise be admissible in evidence.
Disclosures for research or statistical purposes
(8) When access to a record is given to a person under paragraph (1)(p) or subparagraph (1)(s)(i), the person may subsequently disclose information contained in the record, but shall not disclose the information in any form that would reasonably be expected to identify the young person to whom it relates.
Application of usual rules
(9) If, during the period of access to a record under any of paragraphs (2)(g) to (j), the young person is convicted of an offence committed when he or she is an adult,
(a) section 82 (effect of absolute discharge or termination of youth sentence) does not apply to the young person in respect of the offence for which the record is kept under sections 114 to 116;
(b) this Part no longer applies to the record and the record shall be dealt with as a record of an adult; and
(c) for the purposes of the Criminal Records Act, the finding of guilt in respect of the offence for which the record is kept is deemed to be a conviction.
Records of offences that result in a prohibition order
(10) Despite anything in this Act, when a young person is found guilty of an offence that results in a prohibition order being made, and the order is still in force at the end of the applicable period for which access to a record kept in respect of the order may be given under subsection (2),
(a) the record kept by the Royal Canadian Mounted Police pursuant to subsection 115(3) may be disclosed only to establish the existence of the order for purposes of law enforcement; and
(b) the record referred to in section 114 that is kept by the youth justice court may be disclosed only to establish the existence of the order in any offence involving a breach of the order.
2002, c. 1, s. 119; 2012, c. 1, s. 157.
Access to R.C.M.P. records
120. (1) The following persons may, during the period set out in subsection (3), be given access to a record kept under subsection 115(3) in respect of an offence set out in the schedule:
(a) the young person to whom the record relates;
(b) the young person’s counsel, or any representative of that counsel;
(c) an employee or agent of the Government of Canada, for statistical purposes under the Statistics Act;
(d) any person or member of a class of persons that a youth justice court judge considers has a valid interest in the record, to the extent directed by the judge, if the judge is satisfied that access is desirable in the public interest for research or statistical purposes;
(e) the Attorney General or a peace officer, when the young person is or has been charged with another offence set out in the schedule or the same offence more than once, for the purpose of investigating any offence that the young person is suspected of having committed, or in respect of which the young person has been arrested or charged, whether as a young person or as an adult;
(f) the Attorney General or a peace officer to establish the existence of an order in any offence involving a breach of the order; and
(g) any person for the purposes of the Firearms Act.
Access for identification purposes
(2) During the period set out in subsection (3), access to the portion of a record kept under subsection 115(3) that contains the name, date of birth and last known address of the young person to whom the fingerprints belong, may be given to a person for identification purposes if a fingerprint identified as that of the young person is found during the investigation of an offence or during an attempt to identify a deceased person or a person suffering from amnesia.
Period of access
(3) For the purposes of subsections (1) and (2), the period of access to a record kept under subsection 115(3) in respect of an offence is the following:
(a) if the offence is an indictable offence, other than a presumptive offence, the period starting at the end of the applicable period set out in paragraphs 119(2)(h) to (j) and ending five years later; and
(b) if the offence is an offence set out in paragraph (a) of the definition “presumptive offence” in subsection 2(1) or an offence set out in paragraph (b) of that definition for which the Attorney General has given notice under subsection 64(2) (intention to seek adult sentence), the period starting at the end of the applicable period set out in paragraphs 119(2)(h) to (j) and continuing indefinitely.
Subsequent offences as young person
(4) If a young person was found guilty of an offence set out in the schedule is, during the period of access to a record under subsection (3), found guilty of an additional offence set out in the schedule, committed when he or she was a young person, access to the record may be given to the following additional persons:
(a) a parent of the young person or any adult assisting the young person under subsection 25(7);
(b) a judge, court or review board, for a purpose relating to proceedings against the young person under this Act or any other Act of Parliament in respect of offences committed or alleged to have been committed by the young person, whether as a young person or as an adult; or
(c) a member of a department or agency of a government in Canada, or of an organization that is an agent of, or is under contract with, the department or agency, who is
(i) preparing a report in respect of the young person under this Act or for the purpose of assisting a court in sentencing the young person after the young person becomes an adult,
(ii) engaged in the supervision or care of the young person, whether as a young person or as an adult, or in the administration of a sentence in respect of the young person, whether as a young person or as an adult, or
(iii) considering an application for conditional release, or for a record suspension under the Criminal Records Act, made by the young person after the young person becomes an adult.
Disclosure for research or statistical purposes
(5) A person who is given access to a record under paragraph (1)(c) or (d) may subsequently disclose information contained in the record, but shall not disclose the information in any form that would reasonably be expected to identify the young person to whom it relates.
Subsequent offences as adult
(6) If, during the period of access to a record under subsection (3), the young person is convicted of an additional offence set out in the schedule, committed when he or she was an adult,
(a) this Part no longer applies to the record and the record shall be dealt with as a record of an adult and may be included on the automated criminal conviction records retrieval system maintained by the Royal Canadian Mounted Police; and
(b) for the purposes of the Criminal Records Act, the finding of guilt in respect of the offence for which the record is kept is deemed to be a conviction.
2002, c. 1, s. 120; 2012, c. 1, s. 158.
Deemed election
121. For the purposes of sections 119 and 120, if no election is made in respect of an offence that may be prosecuted by indictment or proceeded with by way of summary conviction, the Attorney General is deemed to have elected to proceed with the offence as an offence punishable on summary conviction.
Disclosure of information and copies of record
122. A person who is required or authorized to be given access to a record under section 119, 120, 123 or 124 may be given any information contained in the record and may be given a copy of any part of the record.
Where records may be made available
123. (1) A youth justice court judge may, on application by a person after the end of the applicable period set out in subsection 119(2), order that the person be given access to all or part of a record kept under sections 114 to 116 or that a copy of the record or part be given to that person,
(a) if the youth justice court judge is satisfied that
(i) the person has a valid and substantial interest in the record or part,
(ii) it is necessary for access to be given to the record or part in the interest of the proper administration of justice, and
(iii) disclosure of the record or part or the information in it is not prohibited under any other Act of Parliament or the legislature of a province; or
(b) if the youth court judge is satisfied that access to the record or part is desirable in the public interest for research or statistical purposes.
Restriction for paragraph (1)(a)
(2) Paragraph (1)(a) applies in respect of a record relating to a particular young person or to a record relating to a class of young persons only if the identity of young persons in the class at the time of the making of the application referred to in that paragraph cannot reasonably be ascertained and the disclosure of the record is necessary for the purpose of investigating any offence that a person is suspected on reasonable grounds of having committed against a young person while the young person is, or was, serving a sentence.
Notice
(3) Subject to subsection (4), an application for an order under paragraph (1)(a) in respect of a record shall not be heard unless the person who makes the application has given the young person to whom the record relates and the person or body that has possession of the record at least five days notice in writing of the application, and the young person and the person or body that has possession have had a reasonable opportunity to be heard.
Where notice not required
(4) A youth justice court judge may waive the requirement in subsection (3) to give notice to a young person when the judge is of the opinion that
(a) to insist on the giving of the notice would frustrate the application; or
(b) reasonable efforts have not been successful in finding the young person.
Use of record
(5) In any order under subsection (1), the youth justice court judge shall set out the purposes for which the record may be used.
Disclosure for research or statistical purposes
(6) When access to a record is given to any person under paragraph (1)(b), that person may subsequently disclose information contained in the record, but shall not disclose the information in any form that would reasonably be expected to identify the young person to whom it relates.
Access to record by young person
124. A young person to whom a record relates and his or her counsel may have access to the record at any time.
Disclosure of Information in a Record
Disclosure by peace officer during investigation
125. (1) A peace officer may disclose to any person any information in a record kept under section 114 (court records) or 115 (police records) that it is necessary to disclose in the conduct of the investigation of an offence.
Disclosure by Attorney General
(2) The Attorney General may, in the course of a proceeding under this Act or any other Act of Parliament, disclose the following information in a record kept under section 114 (court reports) or 115 (police records):
(a) to a person who is a co-accused with the young person in respect of the offence for which the record is kept, any information contained in the record; and
(b) to an accused in a proceeding, if the record is in respect of a witness in the proceeding, information that identifies the witness as a young person who has been dealt with under this Act.
Information that may be disclosed to a foreign state
(3) The Attorney General or a peace officer may disclose to the Minister of Justice of Canada information in a record that is kept under section 114 (court records) or 115 (police records) to the extent that it is necessary to deal with a request to or by a foreign state under the Mutual Legal Assistance in Criminal Matters Act, or for the purposes of any extradition matter under the Extradition Act. The Minister of Justice of Canada may disclose the information to the foreign state in respect of which the request was made, or to which the extradition matter relates, as the case may be.
Disclosure to insurance company
(4) A peace officer may disclose to an insurance company information in a record that is kept under section 114 (court records) or 115 (police records) for the purpose of investigating a claim arising out of an offence committed or alleged to have been committed by the young person to whom the record relates.
Preparation of reports
(5) The provincial director or a youth worker may disclose information contained in a record if the disclosure is necessary for procuring information that relates to the preparation of a report required by this Act.
Schools and others
(6) The provincial director, a youth worker, the Attorney General, a peace officer or any other person engaged in the provision of services to young persons may disclose to any professional or other person engaged in the supervision or care of a young person — including a representative of any school board or school or any other educational or training institution — any information contained in a record kept under sections 114 to 116 if the disclosure is necessary
(a) to ensure compliance by the young person with an authorization under section 91 or an order of the youth justice court;
(b) to ensure the safety of staff, students or other persons; or
(c) to facilitate the rehabilitation of the young person.
Information to be kept separate
(7) A person to whom information is disclosed under subsection (6) shall
(a) keep the information separate from any other record of the young person to whom the information relates;
(b) ensure that no other person has access to the information except if authorized under this Act, or if necessary for the purposes of subsection (6); and
(c) destroy their copy of the record when the information is no longer required for the purpose for which it was disclosed.
Time limit
(8) No information may be disclosed under this section after the end of the applicable period set out in subsection 119(2) (period of access to records).
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Good to know. I know CPIC is private and not open to the public, but was told by many people in the court houses that it was. Maybe they mistook PRIME with CPIC.
JUSTIN is open to the public. There are public terminals at the court houses where people can look things up. They use to have huge binders with computer print outs of the names and file numbers.
both PRIME and CPIC are not publicly accessible. however, like i mentioned in a previous post, you may make an FOI or ATIP request to each and every municipal police department and RCMP detachment you've ever had contact with to get 'all' the information on PRIME they have on you. obviously if you're a suspect in an ongoing investigation or if you're linked with organized crime, etc, you won't get all that sensitive information.
as for JUSTIN, there are obviously different levels of access. the public access you have at the courthouse gets you less information than the access police have. you'd get name, year of birth, charge, appearances, plea, verdict, and sentences.