i'm sure KJi had help taking that entire country hostage. and those people that helped wont take too kindly to someone just giving all that over away

I hope I live to see the reunification of the country one day.

If a relative or distant relative were to question the government, you along with your entire family would be sent to the labour camps. I'm sure most of the people in NK obey the government just for the purpose of surviving another day.

my grandfather live through the civil war in china and the cultural revolution. He was a son of a landlord which goes completely against mao's idealogy. He join the communist army anyways. After the war is won the communist government than turn completely against him. His family's property were taken away and my grandfather was sent to rural china to be punish for being a landlord's son and for being educated. Some of his children were sent to the farm with him and the rest that stay in the city were forbidden to go to school. When his children grew up and join the police force they were force to severe tie with my grandfather in order to keep their job and/or get a promotion.

despite all that my grandfather was fiercely loyal to the communist party till his dying day. He even pass away on the same day as deng xiao ping. Witness say he collaspe and had a heart attack upon reading the newspaper...

it is hard to comprehend the power of propaganda and brainwashing until you have live through it. To my grandfather communism is THE way of life and the words of its leader is the gospel just like how we can not comprehend living in a non capitalistic society. My grandpa went to the states only one time in his life, he won a small jackpot from the slot machine and procceed to gave all the money away to his co workers and donate his own share the the communist party.

his children are not so much in love with communist... The difference being they grew up in china went through brainwash than suddenly china open up to the west and they are able to compare and form their own conclusions. With NK being so close off from the rest of the world I'm nkt surprise if almost everybidy there is like my grandpa.

Thank you :)

You have to accept the fact that this theory could also be wrong.

You praise science for it's ability to adept and change yet as soon as an opinion challenges your notion of what the truth is, you get anal pained.

Evolution, etc, is all theory, could also be wrong as well.
It might sound fine now, but the possibility of contradicting evidence being found is still very real, for any scientific theory really..

Science does not collapse when a change is made or a flaw is found, unlike religion scientists are not afraid of new discoveries as they only strengthen our knowledge of the universe

Yes, when a flaw is found or a change is made, then that is what we start to teach. i.e., if we found out that the universe is not expanding, that is what science would then continue to teach.

My point was that the people such as your self who praise science for this attribute, seem offended at any theory that goes against a theory that science currently holds. In other words, science welcomes change, but the people don't.


freakshow was trying to say that it's absurd to assume that something can come from nothing. He was saying (correct me if I'm wrong here, freakshow) that it is far more unlikely that a universe can be created by it self, for no reason, out of nothing.. than it is to say that a man collected 2 of every animal and put them on a boat. (which I also think is absurd) . Out of those two crazy theories, the former is much less likely.

Fixed.

my daddy taught me not to take shit from anybody :awwyeah:

with exception being: the other person has a gun, a posse, or my dad.

I'll accept all theories as they are. But religion is NOT a theory, it's a story. To follow the morals taught by the bible is fine. To call it a THEORY is not only literally impossible, but asinine.

BTW I apologize for calling freakshow an idiot. Obviously he was trolling, and I don't think all religious people are idiots. I think they are willfully ignorant (although some might argue that's the same thing), but some otherwise very smart people think the earth is 2000 years old, so... I won't be going to them for scientific advice, but otherwise they can be very smart :)

Once Freakshow accepts that the earth is BILLIONS of years old, not THOUSANDS (and this is FACT not a "theory" which can be refuted scientifically) it should be quite easy to accept that evolution can occur during this time. But if you are willfully ignorant of that FACT then yes, I can see evolution not "making sense" in your mind.
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Do all the other religions in the world all claim that earth is few thousands of years old? or is it just the bible?

I remember in elementary school, we werent allow to learn about dinosaurs because it was evolutionary false due to christian school policy, which my science teacher had to obey the curriculum.

which book & verse in the bible claims the earth is only a few thousands of years old? i'm curious and would like to find a bible and read up on it, thanks.

Others more qualified can correct me, but I believe its from people doing studies and cross referencing it to other historical events that came up with the 6000 years old thing.

As far as I know, it doesn't actually say, "4000 years before the whole Jesus thang, I created the universe"

that's what i figured - events in the bible, not creation of the earth.

not the bible, the history of it

Creationists think the earth is between 5700 and 10,000 years old

Young Earth creationism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Some have twisted their religion so science fits in. In other words "god created science, and anything science discovers that we didn't know about before, hey god created that too"

Progressive creationism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

NK anchor vs Taiwanese intimiating anchor (if you understand Mandarin lol)

FFS I wish people would learn the difference between your run of the mill "theory" and a scientific theory. The Theory of Evolution is something testable, observable within our lifetime, with mountains upon mountains of evidence to back it up. The only change to that theory will be our understanding of the mechanics and nature of this well documented occurrence.

Now I know how annoying it is to be failstalked by someone who isn't willing to actually explain what they disagree with :yuno:

Kim Jong Il's Life in Photos:
Kim Jong Il's Life in Photos | Foreign Policy

holy shit!

i watched this before, and i kinda sobbed when the north korean worker said "there's nothing good over here".

imagine those workers working on 5-year/10-year contract, paid minimal, and not able to see their families in north korea. :pokerface:

an interesting update that i found in news.

i believe most of you have heard:
kim jong-il wants his son, kim jong-un, to look like kim il-sung.
kim jong-un reportedly went through plastic surgery to look like his grandfather.

kim jong-un (teen):
http://www.esquire.com/cm/esquire/im...-090710-lg.jpg

kim jong-un (now):
http://o.onionstatic.com/images/arti...0x1000_q85.jpg

there is another reason:

kim jong-il has a half-brother, kim pyong-il, that looks more like kim il-sung.
jong-il believes the resemblances might bring power struggle, so kim pyong-il is often sent to poland to work as an ambassador. when kim pyong-il is back in north korea, he is on house arrest. according to polish sources, kim pyong-il rarely talks about his family. when a polish reporter mentioned to kim pyong-il that a "thesis on kim il-sung's wives" is being made, kim pyong-il reacts violently and said "this is very dangerous".

kim pyong-il:
http://english.chosun.com/site/data/...70100410_0.jpg

kim il-sung (old):
http://www.popten.net/wp-content/upl...5/kp04_02a.jpg

it's pretty terrifying to see how "resemblances" could put family members in danger and how it persuade people to go through plastic surgery to gain power :fulloffuck: