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Old 01-01-2014, 09:40 PM   #451
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don't really need aromasin or Nova unless you actually start seeing sides
Honestly don't think u will get much at all from it to tell you the truth. Only taking var.
Would suggest getting blood work done after tho
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Old 01-01-2014, 09:56 PM   #452
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i am thinking a VAR only cycle to start off small.. I take SLIN anyway.. so it should work really well together. My question is should I have NOLVA on hand incase of anything? and should i be taking aromasin through the cycle and then for 3 weeks after i come off with a over the counter natural test booster? I have been contemplating this for some time and am a little nervous because i am a type 1 diabetic lol.. anyways your thoughts would be great.

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From things that I've read, you should have everything for sides on hand, whether you need it or not. If you started suffering gyno or raisin nuts, you want to attack it ASAP. You wouldn't want to have to then find out what you need, source it, then wait for delivery and finally start trying to neutralize sides.

If you don't use any, great. Think of it as insurance, instead of wasted money. Maybe run hcg during cycle and have some arimidex/nolva on hand just in case
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Old 01-02-2014, 08:48 AM   #453
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don't really need aromasin or Nova unless you actually start seeing sides
Honestly don't think u will get much at all from it to tell you the truth. Only taking var.
Would suggest getting blood work done after tho
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Hi Halo and 320,

Thanks for the replies bros. I probably wont see a lot of gains but I am ok with that. I am hoping for strength and a bit of lean mass. I was hoping for something extra from an ordinary lifter because I am using slin as well. I think I might just get Nolva incase like 320 said and take aromasin throughout the 12 weeks that I plan to take it. I want to transition from being natty to being juicy very slowly because I am nervous lol.. Would me taking aromasin throughout the cycle be a bad thing or should I only start it at 8 weeks and go to week 15?

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you really only need it after the cycle is done
Every other day.
I would actually recommend getting a liver agent like milk thistle. Or something stronger just cause of ovals can be hard on the liver
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I will get some liver agents for PCT.. i am more concerned with bringing my natural test back.. I will probably need a decent PCT.

Clomid and Nolva are estrogen blockers correct? They probably arent required because Var is pretty mild.

So what actually kickstarts my own natural test again?

I am a little confused and have been researching for like 2 weeks.

Thanks Halo

**EDIT** Nolva also works to release LH which stimulates natural test...
So new question - After my last day on Var.. I should start Nolva for a month?
It would be 50mg of Var from weeks 1-4
and then 65mg of Var from weeks 4-8
and then 80mg of Var from weeks 8-12
Nolva at 40mg Week 13
Nolva at 30mg week 14
Nolva at 20mg weeks 15 and 16.

Does this sound anything remotely close to being right haha

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....no nolva, clomid bro

80MG of var... too much lol. REAL anavar u only need 50-60 max
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I would never take a full cycle of an oral steroid. Shit is so hard on your system, usually only used for the first two weeks on test enth cycle as a kick
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if u r really scared of test lvls coming back you could run hcg
And yeah 50 to 60 is a good amount of legit var
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OK so new plan...

Var 60mg through weeks 1-12
Clomid for test regeneration from weeks 13-17..

I read that HCG seems to be for more advanced cycles because it can be detrimental if not taken correctly. (i believe it turns to estrogen or something)

will the Clomid itself make my body release LH for my natural test to come back?

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oh and the dosages of CLomid are way different from Nolva... So i will have to look up appropriate PCT dosages for the PCT month.
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By the way I have been lifting on and off for 8 years or so and got serious about 2 years ago.. been stagnant now at 188lbs give or take a couple.. 6'1 around 13% BF..

If any of that makes a difference lol
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I would never take a full cycle of an oral steroid. Shit is so hard on your system, usually only used for the first two weeks on test enth cycle as a kick
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Havent you been just lifting for about 8 months?
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Hey makes a good point tho
Most oral cycles are pretty meh and allot more ppl get messed up on oral alone cycles
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Havent you been just lifting for about 8 months?
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Doesn't make me wrong...

I have a phobia of needles, but I'd still choose a proper test enth cycle than take 10 pills a day that wrecks you in more non reversible ways
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I live with needles so its all good to me either way. I just wanted to start off small in transition thats all.. I am really nervous about these things.. What would you guys suggest.

Test Enth 400mg a week with aromasin
and some nolva on hand?
PCT - would be Clomid and HCG?

So scary though lol
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I feel the same way. I think it's just something you have to dive into head first and hope for the best (and be prepared for all the girls be rockin' on ur jock)
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yea but is the cycle i mentioned fine? what can i use instead of HCG?
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Just to chime in. I used no PCT. Nothing while on cycle either and saw NO sides and my test levels came back no problem. Your overthinking things guys. It's really quite simple and on such low dosages like you guys will be running your just wasting your money on all that shit.

I ran 800/400 test deca and had no issues coming off. Ran test for 5 weeks after dropping deca and everything is back to normal already. Just in time to start up again. This time I'm running test/tren as I can't run nandrolone (deca) due to me requiring sperm production for the time being. If you didn't know nandrolone is an off switch for sperm production. Even in small amounts.
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RH you say your using Slin but your not using it like a bodybuilder would Im guessing. Your just making your body proper right?

A bodybuilder would typically inject 8iu post workout and then drink their carb drink right away Glycofuse (80g carbs) Humalog R is best.

Rule of thumb is 10g carbs per 1iu of slin.
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LOL Berz,

I use it because i would DIE without it.. and I do optimize for best results. I take 16IU with my protein shake POST workout..
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Yea that's what I was wondering was how much you used for Maintanence vs. lifting. What's your regular dosage for just being alive? Lol
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Berz your a god among men, i dunno if normal mere mortals could handle test/dbol with no sides other than mass amounts of poon
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It all really depends on the person every body is so different. Some people get major sides with test and some get none. And so on and so on.
Var is pretty mild.
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Berz, I would normally take 14 IU just to survive lol.. I purposely get my sugar a tad low post workout with my shake because I wanna optimize the slin for my nutrient uptake.. I have taken SLIN for a while now so I can play with the levels a little bit..

Halo, Just reading everything from you veterans, I feel like i will probably do a mild first time TEST ENTH cycle but I need some specific advice on that..

I havnt been tested for my testosterone levels, but I feel like I am naturally low to start, thats why I am a little worried with my natural TEST restart after the cycle.

What i need from you guys is an answer to what my revised plan is to take..

Monday - 10mg Aromasin with 250mg Test E
Tuesday - 10mg Aromasin 450IU of HCG
Wednesday - 10mg Aromasin
Thursday - 10mg Aromasin with 250mg Test E
Friday 10mg Aromasin with 450IU of HCG
Saturday 10mg Aromasin
Sunday 10mg Aromasin

This will continue for 8 weeks..

PCT will start in the 9th week..
For weeks 9 and 10 (16 days) I will continue with HCG twice a week with same dosage as above.
Week 10 (after about 1 week of the ESTER clearing) - I will start CLOMID - 100mg a week taken twice a day at 50mg.. this will continue for 3 weeks upto week 13.. Week 14 the dosage will taper down to 50mg per day

Aromasin will continue for PCT at 20mg for 3 weeks after cycle and then tapers to 10mg for the last week.

I hope that is clear lol.. let me know what you guys think..
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