fringe is on friday night though..that's a death trap for any prime time drama

Honestly who doesn't have a pvr anymore. Nielsen ratings is archaic way of measuring audiences.

Never understood why shows I watch on broadcast networks are always so low rated but critically loved. (fringe, community, parks and rec, Chuck, 30 rock). Exception being office and modern family.

Is middle America that dumb to follow these shows?

I'm watching the pilot right now and so far I'm not impressed.

Why is it that Fox TV shows (or network television in general) typically throw plausibility out the window? Do they think their viewers consist primarily of complete morons who turn off the logical side of their brains when watching TV?

Let's see. Befriending a civilian to dig up info about some Alcatraz guy, on an investigation in which she has no jurisdiction. Finding a bunch of super secret files in some conveniently open cellar. Drawing her weapon over some creek sound. The 2 dumb guards who decide to go clear an entire prison by themselves, instead of calling it in first. "Maybe they forgot? Herp derp This is Alcatraz, they never forget, herp derp let's go clear this prison by ourselves, eff reporting this in first derp". Oh, don't forget the part where she said her uncle/father cop brought home files on open cases, and she helped herself by going over all of it. Talk about comprimising the integrity of an investigation. She solved a few cases too? Over-achieving, conceited little girl in action.

I'm not a moron, but I am no means the most intelligent person either. I'm just a regular guy, and I can tell when I see crappy writing in a TV show.

This show is a joke.

edit: Jesus this show gets worse and worse. She calls in an officer down over the walkie, but doesn't give a location. Good job. Who was the technical advisor on this job?

Yes it is, but it is still the only effective way of measuring LIVE viewing, which is the most important figure. The problem, the public generally believes networks and studios produce tv shows with the #1 goal of entertaining the public, the #1 goal is always to sell ad space, #2 is sydication, then 3rd might be to entertain. The biggest event every year for all the networks, is the upfronts, where the networks pitch the shows and numbers to potential advertisers and sponsors.

Again a network could care less about DVR numbers, because they can't use that to effectively pitch advertisers and sponsors as anyone who watches a show on DVR is going to fast forward through all the commercial breaks. There has been some adjustment to DVRs by the use of more product placements in the shows themselves, but increasingly advertisers are not content with just having their product in the show, they want it featured, so this is where you'll now notice, a shot linger on a product/logo or a character on the tv show making use of a product and its features and commenting on it.

On the productions I've worked on, this has lead to backlash from some fans and critics as it takes away from the show, but you can't have it both ways, either accept the increased product placements/features or watch more live tv, its a bit of a catch we're stuck in.

I'm fine with product placements if they keep my shows on the air ala Chuck, 24 back in the day and Fringe.

No one I even know have a ratings box.

Worked for the X-Files... maybe they're playing on that idea?

Yes but X-Files didnt have PVRs, internet and piracy to compete against.

and the X-Files were on a completely different level compared to Fringe

Granted, but they're aimed at the same sort of audience. I remember a lot of discussion back in the day over the fact that the X-Files DID do so well in that time slot, despite the traditional logic that it shouldn't. It was noted at the time, that's most of the target audience were hardcore geeks who were sitting home alone on Friday nights anyway :alone:

(off-topic: reminds me of how Tom Harrison once described Tracy Chapman as "music for depressed yuppies stuck home alone on a Friday night") :D

"is anyone else's head exploding right now?"

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wow, people are stupid :facepalm: the Alcatraz batcave is on the lot at North Shore Studios morons! haha

I missed the season premiere but caught this week's episode. I guess this post is somewhat biased since I've only watched one episode (and will need to continue this season to really judge how I feel) but I personally didn't like it that much. I felt there wasn't much of a connection within the characters and didn't believe the people the actors were trying to embody. I'm totally stoked that Sam Neil is in it (Jurassic Park..hello!? LOVED him) but I think there could be more work done.

Also, I guess it's hard to fall in love just yet considering I've been a Law and Order:SVU for years and I think Chris Meloni and Mariska Hartigay were byfar the best tv duo EVER.

Am I the only one that had a big wtf thought for this week's episode when the mom said her 11 year old son watches simpons, south park, and the biggest kicker, king of the hill?

Wrong....Dana Scully and Mulder!

I hope this doesn't turn into what Smallville did for a good 80% of their series: Freak of the week scenarios.

sarah jones (girl who plays rebecca) is fucking hot.

i'm pretty sure most of this season will be a freak of the week...the same reason why I couldn't get into season 1 of the fringe

aside from the pilot I'm losing interest

so first season is over, what r ur thoughts if u actually watched the whole season?
the ending confused me a bit tho...

Confusing indeed. The season finale was weak.
Too little details throughout the series.
What happened to the gold? How old actually is Warden in the present? Instead of San Francisco, they're all over the world.

Yeah it wasn't the greatest ending for the series. I'm assuming the lead chic isn't dead and will be alive for season 2.

no shit ur confused. that was a map of the usa, not the whole world

Thanks. That clarified a lot of things. It all makes sense now.

well assuming warden was 20 something back when he worked as an inmate transfer guard in 63, and now its 2012, that puts him at 70 something years old lol.

north america just to clarify, that was a map of north america..........

This show is pretty dumb.