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Old 03-11-2012, 12:08 AM   #26
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Says the guy without ADHD.

It's great for people to voice their opinions, but without having experienced such symptoms. You can't relate at all, period.
How do you know what I've been diagnosed with as a youth?
As such I dont believe ADHD is a real affliction needing the sale of drugs to manage

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Does physical activity help with ADHD?
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Yes. But not much.
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well since you have a lot more energy, use it for something that requires a lot of energy as well

That and practice concentration exercises, the more you do them, the better you get

and if you're doing work, shut off everything. Turn off your cellphone and other electronic devices. When you have an impulse to get it out, tell yourself to not do it.

It's a long and tedious process but works, i work with adhd students so there's my two cents
You dont need to be "hyperactive" to have ADHD.

There are 3 different types of ADHD.

Inactive, Hyperactive/impulsive and Combined.

I was diagnosed with ADHD-C

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The DSM-IV, or Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, 2000 edition, defines three types of ADHD:
1) An inattentive type
2) A hyperactive/impulsive type
3) A combined type
To meet the formal diagnostic criteria of ADHD, an individual must display:
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at least six hyperactive-type symptoms for the hyperactive/impulsive type
all of the above to have the combined-type
The symptoms (see below) need to have been present since before the individual was seven years old, and must have interfered with at least two spheres of his or her functioning (at home and at school or work, for example) over the last six months.

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i had the exact same symptoms as you op and was diagnosed with severe a.d.h.d when i was in high school. they gave me high doses of Ritalin but that shit didn't work just made me feel super drugged up and i was so motherfuckin burnt out after school i could hardly stay awake, and then had to go to martial arts and get my ass kicked a hour after school because i was so damn tired.

So one day I just stopped taking it. And focused harder, kept doing martial arts and it helped ALOT. Having a very disciplined state of mind can work wonders and motivate you to do lots of things.. Aced my course in college and am always on top of my game @ work, don't have any of the symptoms of "A.d.h.d" anymore. Keep my room / house / garage clean.. most of the time :P

You'll find if you stay organized it will help alot, keeping things clean and organized is one of the keys to success in life! Its all in your head.. Find ways to motivate yourself and work on your discipline !
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^ good man,

you are proof.

you were diagnosed, you realised there was a problem, thus you changed your habbits and used martial arts as a way to discipline yourself.

and now your not "diagnosed" anymore, so the pills were useless in the first place.

Taking pills for ADHD is like trying to take pills for weight loss,

stop trying to take a pill to fix yourself because your lazy to go on a treadmill. Do what this guy did and find a way to discipline yourself and focus on your shit.

while there are exceptions to every rule, some people really do have genetic deseases where they are unable to lose weight the conventional way of excersice and eating healthy, just like im sure there are some people who really do need medication for ADHD, but Id bet that 80% of people who take the pills just have bad habits, like the fatties.
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My daughter has ADHD (the inattentive subtype, which presents more like an extremely high functioning autistic).

Like many parents I had HUGE guilt about her going on medication but within a week of her starting I was blown away by the change in her and any doubts I had about the existence of the disorder or the diagnosis were gone. She stayed on medication for about 2 years and then this recent year asked to stop because she feels it hampers her creativity and it does hamper her growth. Given this was both a mature and rational request her Dr. and I agreed it was worth trying so long as it doesn't seriously hamper her grades. It's been a bit bumpy since she came off but we've been able to find some ways to make it work now that she's old enough to have some insight into her own behavior and correct it consciously.

On a side note, there's been major headway made in ADHD medications in the last couple of years and they aren't as drastic as they once were. Most people think of ritalin but there's far more stable alternatives now.
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Yes. But not much.
It actually can help a lot, depending which form of ADHD you have.

Children with hyperactivity need physical stimuli to help quell that restlessness, and with proper amounts of physical activity they can do better in class time without medication and decrease impulsive behaviors.
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^ good man,

you are proof.

you were diagnosed, you realised there was a problem, thus you changed your habbits and used martial arts as a way to discipline yourself.

and now your not "diagnosed" anymore, so the pills were useless in the first place.

Taking pills for ADHD is like trying to take pills for weight loss,

stop trying to take a pill to fix yourself because your lazy to go on a treadmill. Do what this guy did and find a way to discipline yourself and focus on your shit.

while there are exceptions to every rule, some people really do have genetic deseases where they are unable to lose weight the conventional way of excersice and eating healthy, just like im sure there are some people who really do need medication for ADHD, but Id bet that 80% of people who take the pills just have bad habits, like the fatties.
dear god you are stupid. You know that in adulthood it's considered a disability right? And it doesn't have anything to do with school (even though i am in school right meow). It can involve inability to have conversations with people, inability to keep on track at work, impulsive gambling/eating, being impatient and completing others sentences.

Without even knowing me you label me as not having it, when after seeing 3 doctors all three of them said I am good for it.

Anyways once i pass my holter monitor (I had arrythmia show up on my ekg) i'll be put on strattera. Everyone has some crazy suspicion that you become a zombie and a different person when you take the meds, but even if you do, during my adult hood if I need to take boring shitty fucking classes that I have no interest in and have to write papers for to get to where i need to go, then i'll do it. I just didn't wake up one day at the age of 25 and say "herp derp im disabled" I actually saw a problem and went and saw the doctor.

Lemme guess you don't believe anxiety and depression disorders exist either?

What do you do in the school board out of curiosity?

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i had the exact same symptoms as you op and was diagnosed with severe a.d.h.d when i was in high school. they gave me high doses of Ritalin but that shit didn't work just made me feel super drugged up and i was so motherfuckin burnt out after school i could hardly stay awake, and then had to go to martial arts and get my ass kicked a hour after school because i was so damn tired.

So one day I just stopped taking it. And focused harder, kept doing martial arts and it helped ALOT. Having a very disciplined state of mind can work wonders and motivate you to do lots of things.. Aced my course in college and am always on top of my game @ work, don't have any of the symptoms of "A.d.h.d" anymore. Keep my room / house / garage clean.. most of the time :P

You'll find if you stay organized it will help alot, keeping things clean and organized is one of the keys to success in life! Its all in your head.. Find ways to motivate yourself and work on your discipline !
most people grow out of ADHD into their adulthood, but with 1/3rd of adults it stays with them for the rest of their life.

also might add from the DSM-5

D. There must be clear evidence that the symptoms interfere with or reduce the quality of social, academic, or occupational functioning.

So you didn't really have ADHD.

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most people grow out of ADHD into their adulthood, but with 1/3rd of adults it stays with them for the rest of their life.

also might add from the DSM-5

D. There must be clear evidence that the symptoms interfere with or reduce the quality of social, academic, or occupational functioning.

So you didn't really have ADHD.

Yes i did.. I got diagnosed from the doc and they gave all my teachers sheets to fill out blah blah blah.. Quite sure they wouldnt have prescribed me ritalin if i didnt have it, but that sucks about some people having it forever
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Anyways once i pass my holter monitor (I had arrythmia show up on my ekg) i'll be put on strattera. Everyone has some crazy suspicion that you become a zombie and a different person when you take the meds, but even if you do, during my adult hood if I need to take boring shitty fucking classes that I have no interest in and have to write papers for to get to where i need to go, then i'll do it. I just didn't wake up one day at the age of 25 and say "herp derp im disabled" I actually saw a problem and went and saw the doctor.

Lemme guess you don't believe anxiety and depression disorders exist either?

What do you do in the school board out of curiosity?
The people who go wonky on meds are misdiagnosed. That's the problem. Having witnessed someone on properly diagnosed meds there's no 'zombie' like behavior at all, in fact I would argue that my kiddo is more awake and alert and with it when she's medicated. Strattra is a good, subtle med if your doctor thinks it's a good fit for you.

Glove? Do either of you ever drink coffee to perk up in the morning? Alcohol to relax? Take asprin or advil when you're hurt? Freezing when you go to the dentist? Antibiotics when you have strep throat? Oh you lazy asshole! Stop taking those nasty drugs and martial arts your ass to well! (eyeroll)
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And on a second note... Now that i thought about it a bit, i dont see how 1/3rd of people can "Grow out" Of something that is actual considered a real "Disability"... The diagnosis for add is stupid and contriversial, all the symptoms are the same as someone whos got a demotivational personality and is lazy / easily distracted and disorganized.

"thenewgirl" your examples of what your comparing to my example are stupid. Personally i used martial arts as an example of how i got myself motivated, for other people you can use different methods to achieve the same goal.

And just so you know, i don't need or have coffee in the morning, alcohol in the evening, or asprine to help with my pain..... I know your half kidding, but your comparing apples to oranges with your silly examples.

My point is if your change yourself to be a non-lazy, motivated & focused person you can overcome all the symptoms of A.d.h.d... Its all about how much you can motivate YOURSELF! And it would be better to try different ways of achieving this for your child rather then feeding them all these DRUGS to try to help them. There are no benefits of trying to fix A.D.H.D With drugs because whats going to happen when you take them off of the drugs? Back to square 1!
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dear god you are stupid. You know that in adulthood it's considered a disability right? And it doesn't have anything to do with school (even though i am in school right meow). It can involve inability to have conversations with people, inability to keep on track at work, impulsive gambling/eating, being impatient and completing others sentences.

Without even knowing me you label me as not having it, when after seeing 3 doctors all three of them said I am good for it.

Anyways once i pass my holter monitor (I had arrythmia show up on my ekg) i'll be put on strattera. Everyone has some crazy suspicion that you become a zombie and a different person when you take the meds, but even if you do, during my adult hood if I need to take boring shitty fucking classes that I have no interest in and have to write papers for to get to where i need to go, then i'll do it. I just didn't wake up one day at the age of 25 and say "herp derp im disabled" I actually saw a problem and went and saw the doctor.

Lemme guess you don't believe anxiety and depression disorders exist either?

What do you do in the school board out of curiosity?

I said there was an exception to every rule, and never once did I say you werent a part of the exception, i didnt label you as anything.

BUT,

in the whole thread you never mentioned once on things you tried to do to discipline yourself, the other guy used martial arts, what did you try?

did you automatically jump medication bandwagon? or did you try other mind focusing practices?

a lot of your posts involve a lot of "woe is me" attitude, which wont get you anywhere, in fact, it seems like you have more depression than ADHD, if that is your attitude towards everything, then just go take the pills, what are on posting on RS for? or maybe your depressed that you cant focus? and cant focus because your depressed. if you honestly believe you are disabled, just take whatever your doctor prescribes and join the pill party.

my gf actually gets anxiety all the time, but everytime im able to talk her down and out of it, and calm her nervs. I dont tell her she needs fuckin pills, she is completely normal.

and depression is sort of the same thing, ofcourse there are people who have chemical imbalances who needs pills to deal with depression, these are the people who are successfull and have friends, but still feel down. but 80% of the people are just lazy to get off their fuckin ass and do something about it, PILL ME, I HAVE DEPRESSION, no, your jobless, carless, friendless, and alone. fix it.

I work in I.T in the school board.

Also, you seem to have no problem following threads on RS at all, I looked at the last 5 threads you replied in, and you seem completely able to follow topics that interest you, like this one. You also seem to be learning Canto and other languages, you would NOT be able to learn a chinese language if you had ADHD. That shit is difficult, and boring.
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Without even knowing me you label me as not having it, when after seeing 3 doctors all three of them said I am good for it.
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So you didn't really have ADHD.
I don't mean to be a prick but cmon man... wtf?

I could go to the extent in saying I have minor ADHD, because I sometimes cannot focus on tasks at hand or am demotivated on things. Taking drugs can help, I have someone in my family that has tried tons of meds for mental illness' and found success in some more then others.

The thing to remember is the mind is a powerful thing, drugs can help or hinder that. Drugs can also have many side affects, especially when dealing with mental issues, and it can really screw up people in the long run.

I've seen it happen, it's just my .02 cents.
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And just so you know, i don't need or have coffee in the morning, alcohol in the evening, or asprine to help with my pain..... I know your half kidding, but your comparing apples to oranges with your silly examples.

My point is if your change yourself to be a non-lazy, motivated & focused person you can overcome all the symptoms of A.d.h.d... Its all about how much you can motivate YOURSELF! And it would be better to try different ways of achieving this for your child rather then feeding them all these DRUGS to try to help them. There are no benefits of trying to fix A.D.H.D With drugs because whats going to happen when you take them off of the drugs? Back to square 1!
My point was sometimes drugs are useful. Just going OMG DRUGS ARE BAD! is both ignorant and irrational especially when you're ignoring other regularly abused and useless chemicals while picking on one that's proven to be useful. And it's also dismissing the fact that there are people who have a legitimate medical condition for which medication is required to treat it. My point was if someone had cancer, or chronic pain, or allergies you wouldn't begrudge them medical treatment. Why would you do so for people with mental illnesses? This is a wide spread bias and one of the reasons mental illnesses are so broadly stigmatized. Because people don't understand that there is something physically wrong with the brains of people that have these diseases.

I'm sorry you can't willpower your way out of a legitimate chemical imbalance. Sometimes you can use activities to stimulate chemical releases in your brain that will assist in offsetting the disorder but this assumes that 1. the patient is in a position to manage their own treatment and 2. that the brain of the patient is even chemically able to respond in the desired manner. Often one or the other is not true.

Ideally what happens when it comes to mild to moderate medical illnesses you medicate to bring the patient to a functional baseline, educate them on coping techniques (this is when activities are best introduced) and then when they're handling things well you scale back their medication under observation to ensure they're coping well and managing their condition until they're off of it, with continued monitoring to follow. The drugs aren't the treatment plan, but rather a part of the patient's treatment plan. This is the method for intervening in anxiety, depression, and other mental illnesses and it's exactly the same for ADHD.

This works VERY well. It's not a oh we give you pills then we take them away and now you're fucked again thing. Believe it or not, people who go to school for a decade plus actually know what they're talking about.
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Really?! You mean just because a person knows Chinese language; it means he/she wont get ADHD? Wow, you've found the cure to ADHD right there! Drug companies should quake in their boots. You might want to call the Nobel committee as they probably have a prize for you.

Sarcasm aside, ADHD just means the person needs more effort to concentrate, it doesn't mean the person is unable learn (eg anterograde amnesia). No matter what the subject is (language, math etc) is boring or not is highly subjective. The most important things is an objective. As long as the person in this case OP has the goal he wants to reach and sticks with it, he can make anything not boring (say with a romantic partner). He will just need more effort (eg more repetition) when compared with other people learning the same language (hence the extra time / tutors etc). But honestly it doesn't really matter, because a person only need to learn once, comparing performance against others are rather pointless after the fact.

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The problem arises when you try to draw a border. I don't deny that ADHD exists, but I'm almost certain that so many people are being misdiagnosed or using it as excuses for their lack of self-discipline.

Seriously the things you listed pretty much describes me as well. I have always had the same issues growing up as a child. I'm fcking glad as hell I wasn't brought up in this environment because I'm sure I would've been diagnosed as having ADHD, and my life would've changed dramatically (in a bad way). Once you're classified ADHD, you will always have this lame excuse in your head saying "Oh, I'm at a disadvantage so it can't be helped."
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^thats based on the misconception that "everyone gets diagnosed"

believe me, i asked my psyche and she says she turns away alot of people.

The reason I originally went to go see doctors was I've had such severe anxiety issues for the past 2 years that developed into panic attacks. I couldn't even function with school.

What happens if I take the meds and it fixes me? Everyone who knows me is not suprised that I have ADHD. I can really see no negative here.
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Have you started on the medication Majin, if so, are they helping?

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Not sure if this is a pot shot at male nurses or a serious question, it strikes me as the former..
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^thats based on the misconception that "everyone gets diagnosed"

believe me, i asked my psyche and she says she turns away alot of people.

The reason I originally went to go see doctors was I've had such severe anxiety issues for the past 2 years that developed into panic attacks. I couldn't even function with school.

What happens if I take the meds and it fixes me? Everyone who knows me is not suprised that I have ADHD. I can really see no negative here.

just so you know, the meds, dexadrine/ritalin helps EVERYONE who takes it. you will lose appetite, you will feel more focused, you will be able to complete 1 task before you start another.

i actually wish my dr would give me some dexadrine, so i can concentrate a little better at work.
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Not sure if this is a pot shot at male nurses or a serious question, it strikes me as the former..
I've started on a non stimulant strattera and it's been a week and its finally starting to kick in. I've actually been able to finish tasks without getting distracted and I've been actually to wake up in the morning normally with motivation to get through the day. My personality hasn't changed and I don't really feel "different" mood wise. I just feel more focused and actually was able to hyperfocus on my studying, which was amazing.
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just so you know, the meds, dexadrine/ritalin helps EVERYONE who takes it. you will lose appetite, you will feel more focused, you will be able to complete 1 task before you start another.

i actually wish my dr would give me some dexadrine, so i can concentrate a little better at work.
Except I'm not on stimulants.

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