You guys? Don't you live here too? Your profile says "Surrey"....

god damn it i wanted to join that team

First off, I wouldn't call segregated leagues predominant.

I've been involved in athletics my entire life and participated in five different non-scholastic leagues, none of them were set aside for a specific race or religious group. Having lived in British Columbia my entire life, this is the first time of heard of such a thing. Frankly, I'm shocked and confused by the fact that they exist at all.

I don't see how a scholastic league could be segregated period, unless the school itself is and only competes at other schools that are. I know of religious private schools in British Columbia, but not any that only accept a certain race, so our schools are exactly the same.

Second of all, I'm not sure if you're familiar with the concept of a ghetto. I'm not aware of any area in British Columbia where immigrants are forced by poverty to live in a specific slum.

-Surrey and Abbotsford are not a ghettos because of the large South Asian communities, they certainly are not the best areas in the lower mainland, but that's a result of geography. The housing prices are basically comparable to many other areas in BC.
-Richmond is not a ghetto because of the large Chinese community, it's a moderately affluent and really quite nice area all around.
-North Vancouver is not a ghetto because of the large Middle Eastern community, it's also quite an affluent area.

There are many other soccer leagues that can accommodate those that are non-indo Canadians. So I don't see why this league needs to cater to everyone. This one's made just for indo-Canadians, and if they intended to keep it like that as a community thing, it would be pointless to create tiers, simply because their not that kind of league. And only big organized leagues have tiers.

Well if it's a bunch of Brazilians playing, I don't think they really need to restrict any type of people since Brazilians are pretty much at the top of soccer.

But anyway, I assume when you say school league, it's basically students from the school? But then it's basically the same thing. Only players from the schools are allowed to participate. How is this any different in logic? The league is only accepting certain players.


Like I said earlier, this is partially community purposes, and partially to control the skill level, and not have a team of Europeans (or Brazilians) go and destroy every team. To call it racism is silly, as each teams are allowed up to 4 "imports".

you are generalizing, but it's true. 2nd generation tend to assimilate and not segregate.

I feel the issue with the first generation is they have old school mentality and some of them have issues with the English language.I have relatives who want to blend in but they lack the social skills and if they try to blend in with broken English they're called "fobs" so they resort back to communicating in their own language and with people of the same background. Can't really blame them because i'm sure if we moved to a foreign we would resort to meeting people who spoke English at first until we fully learned the language. The difference is we're willing to do that, some older folk try to learn the language but give up and go back to speaking the language they're more comfortable speaking.

Serious question not being a troll, what is your take on turbans in legion halls? Legion halls are private and have there own way of doing things yet they were forced to change the way they had been doing things since they formed to accommodate a minority group. Although not exactly the same issue the principals really aren't that different.

i really dont like the "indo" or "chinese" only leagues. the fact they allow leagues for certain people only is bullshit. canada is supposed to be multicultural. people would complain about racism and shit if caucasians would form a "white" only league. but they seems to be fine when they do it. should just eliminate these leagues and mix it up with everyone.

QFT white only leagues are not allowed so why can other ethnicities do it and it's fine?

Lomac search out the radio interview on Monday morning and you should hear more of the story

So? I don't follow. It's a deep-rooted issue. Is it my issue too?

I mean, no hate on East Indians, most are really friendly, especially towards Brazilians, but come on people.

I hate quoting Wikipedia, but this is pretty much my definition of ghetto:

That's also a ghetto, and my point stands. I think you're the one confusing ghettos with slums.

It has NOTHING to do with the colour of the skin!!! I've stated this already......YES!! Having a 'white only' league would absolutely be racist!!! HOWEVER, having a 'Canadian' only league is absolutely fine and NOT racist. It's the exact same thing as having a 'Christian only' school....or 'Sikh only' summer camp......

considering the demographics in the lower mainland and canada pushing itself as one of the most multicultural places all it does is create more segregation. if that continues to happen more problems will eventually be created because people were brought up in groups of there own that didnt accept others.

Nope, you're the one who is confused.

Even your Wikipedia quote makes essentially the same statement, albeit poorly written.

Ghettos exist, and always have existed, because the 'ruling ethnic group does not accept a different group. The 'ruling ethnic group then forces the different group into separation by legal means, a lack of social acceptance, or poverty. The etymology of the modern English word ghetto stems back to the forced separation of Jews in the seventeenth century, so I'd say, my definition is very accurate.

That makes no sense, why would an entire ethnic group be especially more accepting of people from a specific country?

Yes, but to circle back to the original article in the original post; it DOES have to do with ethnicity.

The USSA didn't like the colour of these children's skin, so it threatened to fine the team for playing. This is where the outrage comes from.



It bothers me when I see people find all sorts of ways to be mad at white people for speaking out against discrimination. While its true that many white people enjoyed a good run for a long time many years ago on the backs of those with a higher amount of melanin in their skin, but that era has passed. Our generation has been taught to accept others, strive for multiculturalism, and to have harmony as our goal. Now that we're in the era of equality, to stand up for ourselves and say "Hey, something isn't right" is met with cries of "Racism! Racism!"

I'm no supreme, or nationalist. I'm a first gen Canadian on one side of my family, and second gen on the other. I have no "deep roots" to this country and don't think it should be a "certain way", but I do believe that the idea of equality should apply to everyone.

lol, again - has nothing to do with colour of the skin....white people can be indo-canadian too, you know?....It's like saying Canadians are white...Just because you are Indian, does not mean you are brown....

:suspicious: Not sure if trolling.....


The recognized definition of 'Indo-Canadian' is 'Person of Indian ethnic descent' instead of using the term "brown" which is a pejorative. Nobody wants to be defined by their skin colour which is why we have this type of nomenclature.

@MindBomber: Are you even reading the things you are quoting? All of them mention social OR economic factors OR both. Geez.

Edit: And, dude, whenever someone finds out I'm Brazilian, they're like "oh, Brazil, that's so awesome, I've always wanted to go there, it's so beautiful, soccer, carnaval, etc!". From my personal experiences, East Indians are very friendly towards Brazilians, and so are Filipinos. Chinese, not so much. Japanese and Koreans are also very friendly.

These are just my personal experiences.

I'm not trolling at all....If a 'white' or let's say Spanish lady goes to India and has a child born in India, the child then comes to Canada and gets a Canadian citizenship....TahDah!!! You now have a white person that is indo-canadian....so again, it has nothing to do with the colour of your skin....

I don't find anything wrong with these leagues so long as the parents aren't completely segregating their children from other cultures in every aspect of their lives....it also helps to keep one familiar with his or her own culture, languages, values, and beliefs...

So what exactly is the problem then, because if somehow someone put together an all white indo Canadian team I still think shits hitting the fan. Why do they care? Are white soccer players in surrey better than brown ones?

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when i was in school my roommate who is black played those same games too...i asked him "what is he" and he replies CANADIAN :pokerface:

i started to do that for a bit...what are you...and i say "Canadian" :badpokerface: and then they're like where are you originally from and I say alberta and they look at me and go :suspicious::rukidding: that usually either makes them mad and call me a smartass or they ask what part of asia my parents are from :fullofwin:

Mr.C has it right. Look at the housing prices in Surrey, it's priced for poor people. The average income in Surrey is under 30k, below the canadian poverty line. It's filled with ethinic people to do the jobs no one else wants to do. Relative to the areas around surrey, the income earned is lower...

I've lived in Surrey for most of my life. I've had the chance to live in Victoria, New Westminster, and Fort McMurray. The difference and mindset of Victoria and Surrey are like night and day. I'm going to say Surrey, the part of Surrey where I lived, is a fucking shit hole. There is a reason why for the last 10 years I was living there it was the crime capital of the world. Poor people will do anything for money, or give up and just straight do drugs.

Truth is, if I had the means to move out of Surrey when I was growing up, I would. Since then it's come a long way from being that shithole but I would still argue that much of area is still poor.

There are a lot of Chinese out there, we're not all the same. I would say that many are racist, especially the older ones. Younger one's not so much. Okay, maybe the mainlanders are all racist.... but all the CBC's I've met are pretty open to other cultures.

In the end this dosnt even matter, name me one famous indian soccer player. White kids will have the last laugh.

Making an all-white indo-canadian team is absolutely fine....HOWEVER, stating that no brown indo-canadian individuals can play for said team IS racist....

In the same way, making an all-brown indo-canadian team is absolutely fine.....HOWEVER, stating that no white indo-canadian individuals can play for said team IS racist....

Nowhere do the rules state that white indo-canadians are not allowed to play....in fact, it never says anything about skin colour in there at all....This is simply about having an Indian background, a country that everyone can relate to, and a place where kids can stay in touch with their culture, languages, beliefs, and values....

Are there other ways to accomplish that goal? Yeah, sure, but so long as these kids aren't taught to segregate themselves from other cultures in every aspect of life, there is absolutely nothing wrong with it.


BTW, I've stated like 5 times in this thread now that it has nothing to do with the colour of skin....Is it really that difficult to wrap your head around this concept?

I don't have any problem with a Spanish only league....or a Ghanaian only league....or a Philipinian only league....In fact, there are plenty of leagues that are like that....Lastly, it has nothing to do with skill level, and more to do with culture, language, beliefs, values, etc....