The iPhone 5 and iOS6 Thread

[StylinRed]

Originally Posted by StylinRed

as for the rest of it what's so difficult to understand about fans/diehards forming the foundation and base that influences those around them... especially so when those fanatics are based within review sites which have greater influencing force among the masses..

Originally Posted by dangonay

Apple sold 5 million iPhones on launch weekend. They also sold 83 million iPhones from the beginning of this year up until the time the iPhone 5 came out. So what do you call those 83 million who didn't buy an iPhone 5 even though everyone "knew" it was coming out? Or the 20+ million who bought iPhones just before the iPhone 5 release instead of waiting for the "latest & greatest"?

Surely rabid fans wouldn't buy an iPhone in the months leading up to a new release. Nor would they buy an older model. If fans were as rabid as you imply, then Apple should sell a gazillion phones in the few months after a release and then sales should drop to nothing the rest of the year while waiting for the next model. Older models like the 4 and 4S shouldn't sell if people are "always upgrading" to the newest model. Sorry, but the numbers just don't line up with your imagined reasons why Apple sells a lot of devices. High brand loyalty? Absolutely. Rabid fanboys? Some, but they comprise a small % of the total.

it still seems that you're confused... it sounds as if you think that i believe only rabid fans are purchasing iphones... perhaps that's my fault... but i seem to recall saying that the fans have formed the foundation of apple sales; and with their hyping up of the product and influencing of those around them (causing a domino effect) it results in joe-6-pack or "regular customers" to purchase idevices; not simply because regular customers have found through their own investigations that the iproduct is the best product as you seemed to have suggested and haven't denied... a point which i disagree with greatly

do you find it hard to believe that fans form the foundation of sales for products? not just iproducts mind you but any product and through their hyping up of the product in the media and through their circles influence,peek, interest of regular people into wanting to purchase said product?

is it simply the vast number of sales which cause you to doubt this? or do you want to just continue to maintain a "nope i dont care what you say unless you say Apple is #1 for being #1 and there are no reasons for their success other than Apple is #1 la,la,la,la,la,la,la,la,la,la,la,la,la" ?

[dangonay]

^ Nexus 4 sold out in mere hours. I guess Android fans camp out as well. So it's fair to say Android buyers are basing their decisions on what the hardcore fans do?

I see you want to avoid my other question completely. Why are there substantially more Android users or people who dislike Apple posting trash in Apple threads while there are very few Apple fans doing the same in Android threads? I pointed you to a couple threads on RS, but you can go anywhere to see this, even non-tech sites.

I went to CNN and searched iPad Mini. Clicked on an article and went to the comments. Guess what? Filled with trolls, and these trolls greatly outnumber any Apple fans. Everywhere you go it's the same pattern. Android threads are relatively free from idiots while Apple threads are full.

Seems to me the people who are trying to indoctrinate others into using their device of choice are the Android users, not the Apple users.

[DanHibiki]

^I asked "Assuming the Galaxy Nexus gets Android 4.2, what are the benefits from upgrading from a Galaxy Nexus to a Nexus 4? Just faster and slightly wider screen?" in the other page.

No responses...

To me, the upgrade from the Galaxy Nexus to the Nexus 4 is similar to the iPhone 4S to the iPhone 5...yet all the Android fans are upgrading...

[SkinnyPupp]

Originally Posted by DanHibiki

To me, the upgrade from the Galaxy Nexus to the Nexus 4 is similar to the iPhone 4S to the iPhone 5...yet all the Android fans are upgrading...

What compelled you to string together that collection of words from the English language?

[DanHibiki]

Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp

What compelled you to string together that collection of words from the English language?

Sorry. Please don't hurt me grammar police.

Kinda proves my point though eh? I've asked that question in both the iPhone thread and the Nexus 4 thread but have received no responses. One theory could be that the Nexus upgrade is indeed comparable to that of the iPhone. Yet there is so much criticism and hate on apple and its costumers. Seems hypocritical if its true don't you think?

[SkinnyPupp]

Originally Posted by DanHibiki

Sorry. Please don't hurt me grammar police.

Kinda proves my point though eh? I've asked that question in both the iPhone thread and the Nexus 4 thread but have received no responses. One theory could be that the Nexus upgrade is indeed comparable to that of the iPhone. Yet there is so much criticism and hate on apple and its costumers. Seems hypocritical if its true don't you think?

My comment wasn't on your grammar, it was on the idiocy of your remarks.

The Nexus 4 and Galaxy Nexus are completely different phones, the only thing they have in common is the OS. they aren't even made by the same company. Screen is different, CPU is different, ram is different, physical enclosure is different. Just go READ, you can learn this shit for yourself if you're not an idiot.

[E_Fahlman]

Android based Cellular phones make up 75% of the market according to Phillip DeFranco

[Vale46Rossi]

DING DING DING DING

Whatsapp has finally released an update.

[parm104]

Originally Posted by DanHibiki

^I asked "Assuming the Galaxy Nexus gets Android 4.2, what are the benefits from upgrading from a Galaxy Nexus to a Nexus 4? Just faster and slightly wider screen?" in the other page.

No responses...

Originally Posted by MarkyMark

I would add better camera to the list too. Also unlike the iPhone 5 the build quality seems to have gone up rather than down lol
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You did get a response. MarkyMark told you that in addition to the things you listed, the camera has greatly improved in the new phone as well...You got an answer, you just chose not to read it I guess.

[HonestTea]

Originally Posted by StevenDuang

DING DING DING DING

Whatsapp has finally released an update.

FINALLY!

[threezero]

good whatsapp is enjoyable again

[MarkyMark]

Originally Posted by parm104

You did get a response. MarkyMark told you that in addition to the things you listed, the camera has greatly improved in the new phone as well...You got an answer, you just chose not to read it I guess.

You could also add that it's like 300 bucks cheaper than the Galaxy Nexus was too

You can pretty much buy two of them for the price of one iPhone.

[DanHibiki]

Originally Posted by parm104

You did get a response. MarkyMark told you that in addition to the things you listed, the camera has greatly improved in the new phone as well...You got an answer, you just chose not to read it I guess.

LOL I did see that! My bad. I recall I read that while I was out and planned to reply to it later but forgotten. My bad, you got me there.

Originally Posted by MarkyMark

You could also add that it's like 300 bucks cheaper than the Galaxy Nexus was too

You can pretty much buy two of them for the price of one iPhone.

That is a good point and a fair reason to upgrade.

The only reason it's priced so low (as well as the Nexus 7) is because they want to built their ecosystem right?

Honest question again, had it been priced at market value, would any Galaxy Nexus owners still upgrade to the Nexus 4?

Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp

My comment wasn't on your grammar, it was on the idiocy of your remarks.

The Nexus 4 and Galaxy Nexus are completely different phones, the only thing they have in common is the OS. they aren't even made by the same company. Screen is different, CPU is different, ram is different, physical enclosure is different. Just go READ, you can learn this shit for yourself if you're not an idiot.

So what if it's made by LG over Samsung? It's still a google phone where the internals are upgrades over the previous generations. The experience you get on the phone is still the same pure Google experience you get with the Galaxy Nexus. There is a reason why other android-based phones have custom UI's. They are trying to differentiate themselves.

Unless you're telling me that the fact that it's made by LG and not Samsung again is a major deal for Galaxy Nexus owners, this seems quite similar to the iPhone4S/5 upgrade that received so much flak. I'm sure Google phone supporters will stick with the Google phones despite which company Google chooses to manufacture the hardware.




It seems the major criticism should not be on the iPhone 5 itself but the lackluster iOS6 update and the fact that there are no iPhone 5 specific features. I wish they utilized the extra screen space in someway (ie. 2 rows for the multitasking tray, instead of adding an extra line for icons they implement widgets, if the hardware can support it, it would be great to include multiscreen where you can watch a video in the top 40% while run an app in the bottom 60% like they do with the YouTube app).

[StylinRed]

Originally Posted by dangonay

^ Nexus 4 sold out in mere hours. I guess Android fans camp out as well. So it's fair to say Android buyers are basing their decisions on what the hardcore fans do?

I've also pointed out in a prior post that all fans are alike and help in supporting their brand/product... but since we're discussing apple here..... im remarking on apple

i've ignored most of your other comments because they seemed unrelated, brought forth due to misconceptions of my comments and so seemed irrelevant

but thanks you made it clear that you don't want to hear anything but "APPLE #1 I Dont Care what else is said nothing is relevant even if it supports Apple other than Apple #1 LALALLALALALA"

[DanHibiki]

Originally Posted by StevenDuang

DING DING DING DING

Whatsapp has finally released an update.

This was a pleasant surprise as I thought for sure they'd take a longer time.
But they still haven't made it work with ios5 notification system wth?!?!?

Now I just need youtube updated and all my most used apps are optimized
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[parm104]

Originally Posted by DanHibiki

LOL I did see that! My bad. I recall I read that while I was out and planned to reply to it later but forgotten. My bad, you got me there..

I WIN! I WIN!

LOL JK, but straight up this conversation is pretty stupid. StylinRed didn't initiate this argument by attacking Apple in anyway. I've followed him in the cell game for over 6 years now since the Nokia N series days and although he's a Nokia fanatic, I don't see him hating on other people's shit for no reason.

That being said, we often use words like "fanboy" and "bandwagoner" incorrectly these days. Perhaps that is what has happened here. Dragonay is implying a fan boy is someone who waits in line for many hours to get a phone, someone who "camps" and who pays extra to a reseller, someone who has to get every device and every generation...perhaps that is his way of looking at a fan boy and it may not be someone else's...It's a made up term of art and both sides can go on for DAYS explaining what makes a fan boy and what doesn't.

That being said, without using the term "fan boy" I think brand loyalists who are close to being fan boys than anyone are people like Dragonay who blindly start an argument regarding an issue that is so trivial. The chain of events in this thread are evidence of that. His need to pin X v. Y, Android v. Apple, and desperate desire to DEFEND his preferred brand is absurd.

HondaRacer initiated this argument by saying that Apple fanboys will ensure that Apple will prosper no matter what...A harmless and perhaps true statement.

No one once mentioned anything about another brand being better or even compared the two until Dragonay did. He immediately JUMPED the gun and felt he needed to not only DEFEND Apple but also imply that Stylin and Skinny must be Android fanboys in this thread to talk shit to Apple users. That's hardly the case lol. I find it amusing when people like this jump the gun to defend something that isn't even being attacked. Someone made an observation, gave an opinion and in no way or form does saying "Apple fanboys will ensure Apple's prosperity" diss Apple in anyway. If anything, it's a testament to the loyalty they've developed over the years. But of course, SOMEONE had to turn it into an Apple v. Android debate and ironically exclaim that it was the Android users in this thread who want to put down Apple when in reality, that never even happened until after Dragonay made his "defence-mode attack."

[DanHibiki]

^I understand where he's coming from though. The internet phone forums/tech blogs are dominated by Android fanatics who, despite popular belief, make idiot comments against Apple no matter what.

I myself am NOT an Apple fan. I have never owned an Apple product besides the iPhone and most likely never will (hate macs, not a tablet fan). I love what Google does as a company over Apple.

It just comes down to OS preference for me. I've tried bout OS and despite wishing iOS had more features (including ones already on Android), I found my experience with it to be much more enjoyable.

I just want to bring up the hypocritical comments people have made towards the iPhone 5 but not towards the Nexus 4 even though their upgrades over their respective older phones is more or less the same. I recall people making comments about how iPhone finally caught up by introducing LTE but to paraphrase a rs member when the LTE-less Nexus 4 was announced, "who cares we don't need LTE anyway".

iPhone 5 over 4S: same iOS6, faster, more ram, better front face camera, LTE, slightly taller

Nexus 4 over Galaxy Nexus: same Android 4.2, faster, more ram, better back camera, wireless charging, slightly wider

See the similarities? I dunno how saying how Google switching to Samsung to LG makes it a completely different phone rather than an upgrade over an existing one

I think we just need to accept that it mostly comes down to software and have a big rs group orgy. WHO'S IN!?

[Alatar]

I really hate having to post this in the iphone/ios thread, but you're mitigating the discussion here by your replies/queries.

Nexus 4 over Galaxy Nexus

- 1280x768 WXGA IPS vs 1280x720 SAMOLED Pentile matrix display
- Quad core Snapdragon S4 Pro @ 1.5ghz w/2gb ram vs TI OMAP 4460 @ 1.2ghz w/1gb ram
- 2100mah battery vs 1750mah battery
- 8mp vs 5mp rear camera and the ability to take burst shot (up to 6 shots at once) vs a single shot
- wireless charging
- Gorilla Glass 2 display vs some other curved display glass
- DC HSPA+ vs just plain 'ol HSPA+ (for anyone on Bell/Telus, a big bonus)
- Potential for more future proofing in the design/specs of the phone

And that's leaving out the obvious differences such as price. For less than $100, I jumped from the Gnex to the Nexus4. I had the feeling something like this was coming, given the Nexus7 over the summer, and decided to gamble and see if it paid off. I didn't know who was making the phone, I didn't know what it would be like, but I opted to see. I'm glad I did, too.

I'm not saying Apple or Android is better. To each their own. But for people invested in an ecosystem, whether it's apps, devices, our having to potentially relearn a system; it doesn't always make sense to jump from one to the other.

I've used iOS since the first ipod touch. I've used Android since my first true smartphone in the Samsung Galaxy S Captivate. I found I enjoyed Android more than iOS. I found more usefulness for my needs. I've invested equal amounts of money into both ecosystems, but find the purchases I've made on Android to be of more use to me.

I upgrade my device because I choose to, and because I can afford to. Not because I need to, not because anyone tells me to, but because I make the decision to enjoy myself a little bit, with regards to my current phone.

[SkinnyPupp]

Originally Posted by DanHibiki

See the similarities? I dunno how saying how Google switching to Samsung to LG makes it a completely different phone rather than an upgrade over an existing one

Then you might as well say that about any Android phone. Compare an LG to a Samsung, or a Sony or HTC or whatever. According to you, they are all the same, no different than a 4S compared to a 5. Some are more similar than others, that can be said for any phone, even iphone compared to some Android or Win8. It's all about whatever combination of hardware and software appeals to you.

[DanHibiki]

Originally Posted by Alatar

I really hate having to post this in the iphone/ios thread, but you're mitigating the discussion here by your replies/queries.

Nexus 4 over Galaxy Nexus

- 1280x768 WXGA IPS vs 1280x720 SAMOLED Pentile matrix display
- Quad core Snapdragon S4 Pro @ 1.5ghz w/2gb ram vs TI OMAP 4460 @ 1.2ghz w/1gb ram
- 2100mah battery vs 1750mah battery
- 8mp vs 5mp rear camera and the ability to take burst shot (up to 6 shots at once) vs a single shot
- wireless charging
- Gorilla Glass 2 display vs some other curved display glass
- DC HSPA+ vs just plain 'ol HSPA+ (for anyone on Bell/Telus, a big bonus)
- Potential for more future proofing in the design/specs of the phone

Ya that's exactly my point. it's mostly just the expected upgrades to the specs like most other phones (other than wireless charging which is awesome).

Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp

Then you might as well say that about any Android phone. Compare an LG to a Samsung, or a Sony or HTC or whatever. According to you, they are all the same, no different than a 4S compared to a 5. Some are more similar than others, that can be said for any phone, even iphone compared to some Android or Win8. It's all about whatever combination of hardware and software appeals to you.

No because it's still a Google phone with Stock Android. I'm not comparing it to the likes of HTC One X series, LG Optimus series, and Samsung Galaxy series which try to differentiate their product as much as they can with their custom UI's. You're thinking I'm comparing the Nexus 4 comparing Samsung Galaxy s3 or something when I'm in fact comparing a NEXUS phone to previous NEXUS phones.

[SkinnyPupp]

[DanHibiki]

[StylinRed]

Originally Posted by DanHibiki

I just want to bring up the hypocritical comments people have made towards the iPhone 5 but not towards the Nexus 4 even though their upgrades over their respective older phones is more or less the same. I recall people making comments about how iPhone finally caught up by introducing LTE but to paraphrase a rs member when the LTE-less Nexus 4 was announced, "who cares we don't need LTE anyway".

iPhone 5 over 4S: same iOS6, faster, more ram, better front face camera, LTE, slightly taller

Nexus 4 over Galaxy Nexus: same Android 4.2, faster, more ram, better back camera, wireless charging, slightly wider

See the similarities? I dunno how saying how Google switching to Samsung to LG makes it a completely different phone rather than an upgrade over an existing one

i agree there's some hypocrisy in there, no doubt, but to be perfectly fair i think the majority of the goading stems from the fact that the apple community (company/fans) usually seem to proclaim that these incremental upgrades are the greatest achievements in the world, that have never existed before now (im somewhat exaggerating here but not really ) and it gets on peoples nerves regardless if you're a fan of anything at all and so you see those trolling, snide remarks (whether those making them truly care or believe the remarks is another matter)

in contrast, the nexus 4 for example, i don't recall seeing google/droidfans coming out and proclaiming that this is the end all, be all, holy grail of phone which makes all other brands worthless except for the aspect of price, which is impressive. i have however seen even droid fans put the nexus4 down, but to be fair i haven't really been following the android/nexus4 until very recently

[Hondaracer]

Alatar, what do you find you use more with android when you say it suits your needs more over ios

i wouldnt be opposed to trying android at all, iphone has just always everything i needed so i had no point to change

[Alatar]

- Screen size (size really does matter)
- Widgets - there are just so many and they do such different things that it really is hard to express how convenient they are - toggles, mail viewing, message viewing, RSS feeds, etc. just to name a drop in the ocean
- Drop-down notifications menu - I know you'll say iOS has this, but this is something that's been on Android since I started using it back 3 years ago - and it keeps getting better with every iteration of Android
- Root ability - Not for the average user, somewhat like jailbreaking an iPhone - gives access to more app options that take advantage of Superuser access

Just a few things that come to mind first thing.