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Ultimately I gotta blame the government for this mess.
They opened the doors to immigration beyond what it should have been, taxing a social system that was already at the limits.
They didn't crack down on employers (like fast food franchise owners) from abusing the TFW program to find staff.
They let post secondary schools charge sky-high tuition fees to subsidize Canadian students, and many of those students came in with no intention of studying, but instead working to get permanent residency.
All of the above are a result of poor government oversight and policy making.
I don't blame the Indians coming over here and here's why:
If you live in a country like India, and someone offers you an opportunity to go to Canada (or the USA, or Europe, etc) 99% of people will obviously take it.
The entire culture and economy of India is based on handshake deals, loopholes and corruption/bribes. People over there don't follow the rules like most of us do in Canada. In a country of a billion people, people feel like they can do what they want and there is little chance of ever being noticed or caught. It's a society very much like The Hunger Games.
So yeah, the Indians come over here because they reaized they can enroll in school (or even fake school) because it's a back door to PR. To them, that's just normal stuff.
And they don't see any issues with abusing the TFW program either because if they were back home, everyone would be doing the same thing.
Not saying they are totally blameless, but the gov't ultimately started this mess.
I'm no expert but it feels like we are at the bottom or close to it in terms of prices for condos. Builders are cancelling projects, developers are going belly up, the supply of new units will slow to a crawl = less supply. But the x factor is how people feel in the next 3 yrs (Trump's presidency) and the economic unpredictability. We are seeing rise of unemployment, job loss, etc., prob due to effects of tariffs.
I'd agree. We're close to the bottom and with rate cuts on the horizon as well.
It's better to have more options now and find the one you absolutely love vs. bidding wars and FOMOing into something less desirable.
This is especially true if you're looking for a place to live or hold for 5-10 years and not to flip in a year or two.
Ultimately I gotta blame the government for this mess.
They opened the doors to immigration beyond what it should have been, taxing a social system that was already at the limits.
They didn't crack down on employers (like fast food franchise owners) from abusing the TFW program to find staff.
They let post secondary schools charge sky-high tuition fees to subsidize Canadian students, and many of those students came in with no intention of studying, but instead working to get permanent residency.
All of the above are a result of poor government oversight and policy making.
I don't blame the Indians coming over here and here's why:
If you live in a country like India, and someone offers you an opportunity to go to Canada (or the USA, or Europe, etc) 99% of people will obviously take it.
The entire culture and economy of India is based on handshake deals, loopholes and corruption/bribes. People over there don't follow the rules like most of us do in Canada. In a country of a billion people, people feel like they can do what they want and there is little chance of ever being noticed or caught. It's a society very much like The Hunger Games.
So yeah, the Indians come over here because they reaized they can enroll in school (or even fake school) because it's a back door to PR. To them, that's just normal stuff.
And they don't see any issues with abusing the TFW program either because if they were back home, everyone would be doing the same thing.
Not saying they are totally blameless, but the gov't ultimately started this mess.
also the immigration companies that take advantage of them by selling them lies and extorting them.
if they didnt make canada out to be some sort of promised land where you can easily get work and buy a house, raise a family, live like a canadian, etc... then this problem wouldn't have gotten so out of control.
if they only knew that they would have to be living with roommates for years before even having a chance to have their own room or own apartment, and living paycheque to paycheque and probably never paying off their debts at home from people who lent them money to come here in the first place, many of them wouldn't come.
^ 100%. The immigration consultants saw the loophole and rather than being like "oh we shouldn't do that, there might be consequences for everyone later on" they were like "perfect!". Indians never think about consequences, lol.
^ 100%. The immigration consultants saw the loophole and rather than being like "oh we shouldn't do that, there might be consequences for everyone later on" they were like "perfect!". Indians never think about consequences, lol.
This honestly is kind of true and it's a cultural thing. They see what they see and have no mind of what may follow down the road.
So many times I've had to clean up technical debt at work because of that mindset.
It’s not just Indians; mainland Chinese have been abusing student visas, birth tourism, and moving money through real estate for years now.
At the end of the day, the blame lies mostly with policy and enforcement failures, not with people simply taking opportunities that were presented to them. The system itself incentivized it.
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True. All this bs lies with the liberal government. You can’t fault people for wanting to come to a first world country. Like I’ve said before, that greedy ass turd wanted the cheap labor and wealth these “students” would bring and like a typical politician, couldn’t see past these two points to the broader damage done by such a policy.
This is why I wanted the Pee Pee guy and the cons. This isn’t just turds idea, I’m sure the entire liberal caucus came up with this hare brained immigration scheme.
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One more question for y'all, are the banks still tightening up mortgage amount to 3x annual income max? or are they easing up to 4x annual income now? Assuming no debt, good long term relationship with bank and decent credit over 800.
It’s not just Indians; mainland Chinese have been abusing student visas, birth tourism, and moving money through real estate for years now.
At the end of the day, the blame lies mostly with policy and enforcement failures, not with people simply taking opportunities that were presented to them. The system itself incentivized it.
There's one big difference though between the Indians and Chinese.
The Chinese brought lots of money. It's easier to excuse cultural differences and/or bad behavior when one brings lots of wealth.
This honestly is kind of true and it's a cultural thing. They see what they see and have no mind of what may follow down the road.
So many times I've had to clean up technical debt at work because of that mindset.
That's why buddy guy houses are bad quality usually. They focus on building it fast and cheap. Nobody is thinking about what happens in the future (i.e will I be liable if this place falls apart).
In India, you can build fast and cheap because if something breaks down the road, there is no liability and there is more than enough cheap labour to fix it.
It kind of reminds me of a story when I was there: I bought a sweater from a chain store in a mall (something like a H&M). The next day, I realized the sweater had a defect, like a broken zipper or something.
I took it back to the store because they had a return policy. But nobody there knew how to process a return because nobody there ever returns anything! There were like 3 guys trying to figure it out.
When my aunt found out I returned it, she was like "wtf is wrong with you, there's a tailor down the street who can fix that easily". They thought I was insane for trying to take something back to the store.
Meanwhile in Canada, people line up at Costco all day long returning fruit and other food because they suddenly decide they don't like it.
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I shit on my buddy guy mcmansion all the time. But you know what, everything new sucks. It’s not just the craftsmanship that’s the issue. The materials, the appliances, the paint, everything and anything is lacking.
Dishwashers, fridges, washing machines all have limited shelf life. It doesn’t matter if you have a sub zero. This isn’t the subzero of the old days. New ones fail just the same.
Same with Miele shit.
I can’t blame buddy guys for crappy paint made by Benjamin Moore. Nor can I blame them for these “high end” appliances. My fridge already had a door sensor go out. It’s a 30k fridge !!!
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There's one big difference though between the Indians and Chinese.
The Chinese brought lots of money. It's easier to excuse cultural differences and/or bad behavior when one brings lots of wealth.
Indians... not so much. Haha
Oh right, all the illegal money they laundered through Canada. And the fentanyl. Very positive contributions. But seriously, Indians and Chinese are exactly the same, they game and leech the system.
And I notice a lot of Asians are jumping on the Indian hate bandwagon, but just remember: you’re not one of them. This year it’s Indian hate, next year it’ll be back to Asian hate.
I don't get why Chinese people hate Indians in Canada. We just need to eat each other's cuisine more. You barely ever see Chinese people eat in Indian restaurants and Indians with the whole vegetarianism thing is annoying to Chinese probably. I've straight up talked to FOB chinese here that say they won't eat Indian food because they think it's wierd/dirty.
In Malaysia, the Chinese over there team up with the Indians against the Malays.
Just sayin' maybe should do that here against Whitey.
My theory is it's just newcomer hate. When Chinese were the FOBs they were annoying, now it's Indian FOBs who annoy us.
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I don’t know why either. I got no problems with my Indian brothers but majority of the china fucks say shit like they are scammy, they are stinky, they are cheap, etc etc. what like you’re not scammy cheap and stinky you durian eating fucks ?
Meh, like most groups of people . Some are good some are bad. But people are people. You’ll find the same in all races.
Except the Mongolians. Fuck those horse riding pricks.
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As someone who’s grown up and lived among more Chinese than Indians, I’ve found the vast majority to be respectful and kind. I’ve rarely come across a Chinese person who’s openly racist or aggressive and they also make great neighbours.
Of course, others may have had different experiences but I can’t say anything bad based on my personal interactions.
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I dunno man I really don’t think people are gonna find there’s some “nice ethnicity” and some bad ethnicity and the sooner people try and get the preconceived notions out of their head and base their opinions on people individually the better.
I still believe the majority of people in the world are good. It’s just the shitty ones have way more of a voice than they used to.
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