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Stormspirit 11-27-2012 07:07 PM
the day piratebay gets shut down is the day i stop downloading stuff.

urrh 11-27-2012 07:11 PM
pb has been shut down before. actually a few times i think

Soundy 11-27-2012 07:13 PM
If the movie/TV industry wants to cut down on piracy, they have to realize one immutable truth: DON'T SHIT ON YOUR PAYING CUSTOMERS!

http://r3dux.org/wp-content/uploads/...-Vs-Pirate.jpg

Ronin 11-27-2012 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by InvisibleSoul (Post 8092315)
Not so fast.

I just read it, and the situation there is not that straightforward.

Summary: https://www.eff.org/cases/liberty-me...dings-v-tabora



It looks like it was only thrown out because they were trying to go after the provider of the Internet instead of only the downloader.
Exactly. Say you have open Wi-fi and unless they found the file on your computer, they have no case.

Ronin 11-27-2012 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by T4RAWR (Post 8092502)
i did not know you could cite american cases in canadian courts are precedent :pokerface:
There is no pecedent in Canadian courts as far as I can tell...and no judge in Canada is going to want to set such a big one.

Graeme S 11-27-2012 07:39 PM
So, if I don't own any DVDs at all, can I use that as a defence to show no actual losses?


Also: even if some of this shit goes through, I love Canada. Canada: where the statutory maximum is $5000. 'Murrica: where EACH COUNT is $15,000. :fuckthatshit:

Nightwalker 11-27-2012 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by drunkrussian (Post 8092264)
don't many people nowdays use a ? does this protect? i imagine it's only either the very young or old who don't, and use public torrent sites
Nah, public torrents are just convenient and there's no concern over ratio. Most people still use them, even savvy ones. "Private" sites aren't really private and there's not really any real protection there, they function the same other than being invite-only.

Wasn't previously a concern in Canada, my bigger concern was the ratio, wanting to keep my upstream bandwidth down.

Guess I'm finally going to have to change tactics.

DanHibiki 11-27-2012 08:40 PM
sometimes u are looking for a movie that isn't on these private sites. ex. a non-well known foreign movie.

i use newsgroups first and if it's not there, public torrents

nns 11-27-2012 09:09 PM
MAC addresses are how computers in a small, local network communicate. EG: computers plugged into the same switch. With a switch, it doesn't matter what each computer's IP is because it isn't what's used to "switch" traffic amongst each other. MAC addresses are used instead. Layer 2.

IP addresses are how computers communicate on an internetwork, for instance, if 2 computers are on different subnets or networks. EG: A person on Shaw sending a file directly to a person on Telus. A router is used. Layer 3.

This is a simplistic description of the difference between MAC addresses and IP addresses. I only mention this because some of you are so confused about the two.

TLDR; MAC address doesn't mean much on the internet. Not as much as an IP, not that an IP is a completely fool-proof form of ID.

Changing your router if so-and-so caught you downloading something wouldn't do anything. An ISP can log what IP was given to whom at a given moment in time.

Yodamaster 11-27-2012 09:33 PM
A good proxy.

Done.

Mr.HappySilp 11-27-2012 09:38 PM
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Originally Posted by nns (Post 8092646)
MAC addresses are how computers in a small, local network communicate. EG: computers plugged into the same switch. With a switch, it doesn't matter what each computer's IP is because it isn't what's used to "switch" traffic amongst each other. MAC addresses are used instead. Layer 2.

IP addresses are how computers communicate on an internetwork, for instance, if 2 computers are on different subnets or networks. EG: A person on Shaw sending a file directly to a person on Telus. A router is used. Layer 3.

This is a simplistic description of the difference between MAC addresses and IP addresses. I only mention this because some of you are so confused about the two.

TLDR; MAC address doesn't mean much on the internet. Not as much as an IP, not that an IP is a completely fool-proof form of ID.

Changing your router if so-and-so caught you downloading something wouldn't do anything. An ISP can log what IP was given to whom at a given moment in time.

+1 but it will take tons and tons of work for the IPS to see the packets and what the packet/data actually is.

We do keep track but never ever do anything to it unless is back by a police warrant (usually if that's the case it have something to do hrassement, threatening E-mails.... ) never for download.

I sometimes give tips to customers about using P2P although I tells them very clearly do not download anything illegal but is up to them what they feel like doing.

FerrariEnzo 11-28-2012 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Presto (Post 8092476)
Good luck. I'm behind 7 proxies!
wouldnt that be slow as hell? when i tried going to one proxy in canada, it was tooooo slow..

gdoh 11-28-2012 08:11 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3IbBzujtDc

maybe this will help a bit??

mr_chin 11-28-2012 08:43 AM
I think they're cracking down on people that are sharing.

It's like selling drugs, they want to get the distributors not the buyers.

Unless if you're doing excessive download or constantly seeding/leeching.

Just my 2 cent.
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Anjew 11-29-2012 09:07 PM
mega upload should be back on jan 20th next year... then witness the power of the fully operational....... icefilms.

Jeremy617 11-29-2012 09:32 PM
One of the tech sites I read mentioned that the company that did the monitoring was paid by the large US porn companies to do it. Those same companies did a similar thing in the US, and with info from the ISP's they sent letters to people's houses saying pay us $600 and we won't sue you, otherwise everyone will know you downloaded some porn movie illegally, etc.

What i'm really curious about is the $5,000 cap that canada has on these types of lawsuits. Is that $5,000 plus legal fees for both sides to the losing party? If not then i find it hard to believe they're actually going to go after people that don't pay up.

Graeme S 11-29-2012 09:59 PM
Litigating in Canada: Five Things U.S. Lawyers Might Find Surprising | McMillan
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Unlike in the U.S., where attorneys' fees generally are not recoverable unless specifically permitted by statute or contract, in Canada, where the guiding principle is that "costs follow the event," attorneys' fees are awarded to the prevailing party in almost every action. In other words, the prevailing party at trial or on appeal can expect the opposing party to be ordered to pay anywhere from fifty to ninety percent of the prevailing party's actual legal costs. Attorneys' fees can also be awarded to the prevailing party on a motion. For instance, if a defendant brings a motion for summary judgment that is denied by the court, the defendant can be ordered to pay the plaintiff's legal fees incurred in responding to the motion.
As a result, because of the significant consequences that can result from losing at trial or even being denied relief on a motion, litigants in Canada tend to be more cautious when filing pleadings with the court. Moreover, because judges have broad discretion in determining whether to award costs, some judges may be reluctant to award attorneys' fees against a sympathetic plaintiff, even if the plaintiff's claim lacked merit. In any event, these cost-shifting rules have a tremendous impact on litigation strategy in Canada, both with respect to whether suit should be filed and what claims should be asserted, and with respect to what strategies should be employed to bring the suit to resolution.
So they won't get ALL their costs. But half to 90% if they're successful, and the judge decides to give it to them.

Mr.C 11-30-2012 11:04 PM
IP Addresses are not people. Good luck.


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