![]() |
CN Rail committing fraud? CBC has a developing investigation where it would seem that CN and others have created fake companies purchasing biodiesel which gets shipped around, as if they're being delivered but product is never off loaded, to take advantage of govt. subsidies Quote:
|
So the article first says the company was falsifying diesel loads... but why would it get incentives anyway? and if it polluted the land in a crash, wouldnt our tax money pay for the clean up rather then the now private rail company? Then it says diesel from the states was transported instead, not paying tariffs Im guessing? A country this rich, why sell our rail system away in the first place... If our tax monies are being defrauded, we should hire dog the bounty hunter to bring these crooks in and have our Surrey thugs teach them a lesson so it wont happen again. |
The article seems to be talking about Biodiesel. I'm guessing it's an incentive program for the cartage companies to encourage them to ship more renewable/eco-fuels as opposed to conventional fossil fuels. They would most likely have gotten large tax discounts or subsidies based on the number of tanks and distance hauled. Assuming the loads were large enough, and assuming the costs were low enough, the companies could make quite a bit of money if they simply sold the tanks around between shell companies. Company A owns companies B and C. Companies B and C are in the business of selling biodiesel. Company B sells tanks to company C. Company A hauls them to company C. Company C sells them back to company B. Company A again hauls them back to company B. Company A is paying itself to move the tanks around, and because of subsidies, actually makes money for doing lots of nothing. Hardly a new scam, but the old ones often last because they work so well. |
Not suprised. Corruption plagues every country. Posted via RS Mobile |
Also not surprised...we'll bend over backwards to support anything remotely "green" with incentives and subsidies. In the US, Obama made a big deal out of a few big ticket(relatively) supports for US based green manufacturers/suppliers...and they bombed. But don't worry! The only ones that lost their shirts were the tax payers and the employees. Doesn't surprise me at all that in Canada, we'd have a bureaucrat create a system that can be gamed, and then have someone game it. Find the guys and fire them-but we'll never see the 2.6 m back... |
Quote:
Only two of the companies that received stimulus money declared bankruptcy, and the renewable energy industry has expanded substantially in America. Given the unavoidable risk of failure in business, there's been a good rate of success. The American right-wing media made a story where there was none, and you fell for it.... Oh, and.... oil companies receive a couple billion in subsidies annually in Canada. What's good for the goose is good for the gander? At least subsidies for green initiatives help create an industry, instead of throwing free money at a company already thriving and making massive profits. |
Why would they commit fraud for such a pitiful amount. Something is not adding up. |
Not at all offensive MB :) I said that Obama made a big deal out of a few of the companies that he supported...and they bombed. I didn't actually say "all". I don't "fall for" right wing propaganda as much as I don't fall for that on the left. I'm sure there are others that are doing well. I don't like that green energy gets subsidies any more than oil companies. I don't think that is free market economic principles at work...at all. I support a subsidy on the cost of the energy if its felt that would even the playing field, direct to consumer, but that's not what is happening. Any time you hand cash over to people, you open the risk of people gaming the system. Golden parachutes stateside, or ghost shipments in Canada. Hell..you want to "help" a smaller company, then defer or eliminate tax payments, or property tax or something...but don't write a check. If governments want to "help"(the worst words to ever hear) than they can minimize useless regulation, create regulation that imposes the public costs on the companies that engage in environmentally damaging activities(ie. air pollution that is 'free' for a company to generate, but harms everyone else) that makes a greener form of energy "cheaper" to create and let the free market go. It's an easy system. It's the one our countries have been based on. Don't pick favorites. It works for green energy...it works for banking, and it works for everything in between. Remain impartial, and create a regulatory framework that evens the playing field for all involved. Then let the companies work within that framework. If an oil company can do something that works within that framework, then they should be applicable to the same system that provides rewards to green energy. BUT..they pick a Solyndra and demonize a "Shell". I disagree with that. |
To this end, this is why, surprisingly, I'm actually not against a carbon tax/offset system. It's using the free market to its advantage. You can either clean up your business, or buy offsets from others. Either way, its pollution not being generated. We don't need massive bureaucrats to monitor it. The free market handles it on money. All you need is the same people you already have to make sure a company isn't dumping more than allowed. That to me is a capitalist system working beautifully in play. Small government and profit in the same system. BUT...this is way off topic. |
I have no intention of offending, Grid. :) When you say, "Obama made a big deal out of a few big ticket supports for US based green manufacturers/suppliers...and they bombed," it sounds very close to writing off the entire initiative as a failure, which is one of the falsehoods Republicans chant. I agree with your points in the follow up post. Sadly, what you suggest, is the opposite of the Harper government approach. Quote:
Over the course of two years, if operated continuously, the return would have been around $150 million. |
came into thread saw it was cbc left satisfied |
I can confirm, I was train 304 |
There's a pretty fine line between fraud and legally taking advantage of loopholes in the system. Reading that article, based on my limited understanding, seems more like the latter. The communication and paper trail seems too open and casual for somebody intent on committing fraud. |
All times are GMT -8. The time now is 08:21 PM. |
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
SEO by vBSEO ©2011, Crawlability, Inc.
Revscene.net cannot be held accountable for the actions of its members nor does the opinions of the members represent that of Revscene.net