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tofu1413 01-25-2013 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by dangonay (Post 8142357)
^ Trust me, a LOT of people do.

having worked at bmw and seeing lots of bmws going in and out, i vouch for that!

BrRsn 01-25-2013 08:32 PM

whatever the statistics say, you can't beat the raw sound of an inline 6 at 7000 rpm -- just saying :sweetjesus:




Anyways, what do you expect. They're all aluminium engines with upper middleclass people driving them who don't know the first thing about engines -- "Oh, the temperature is too high? I better drive really fast to the dealership so the air can cool down the engine"

Yodamaster 01-25-2013 08:37 PM

1.8L 8v, 1987 get on my level bro.

bcrdukes 01-25-2013 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by dhillon09 (Post 8142480)
Anyways, what do you expect. They're all aluminium engines with upper middleclass people driving them who don't know the first thing about engines -- "Oh, the temperature is too high? I better drive really fast to the dealership so the air can cool down the engine"

What is this? An aircooled Porsche 993? :troll:

BrRsn 01-25-2013 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by bcrdukes (Post 8142501)
What is this? An aircooled Porsche 993? :troll:

nah bro,


Volkswagen Type 1

http://gomotors.net/pics/Volkswagen/...-type-1-01.jpg

This car had even the mighty fuhrer wet between the cheeks in a bought of gitty boy-ish excitement.


EDIT: Appropriate avatar is appropriate.

slicrick 01-25-2013 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by dhillon09 (Post 8142480)
whatever the statistics say, you can't beat the raw sound of an inline 6 at 7000 rpm -- just saying :sweetjesus:




Anyways, what do you expect. They're all aluminium engines with upper middleclass people driving them who don't know the first thing about engines -- "Oh, the temperature is too high? I better drive really fast to the dealership so the air can cool down the engine"

this, when I worked at GM I heard a story.

someone came in because "their car randomly stopped starting" (it was towed) turns out there was no coolant in the car the thing overheated and warped the head etc. The person did not stop even though the temp gauge was pinned to hot their response was "isn't that for the outside temperature"

I wasn't working their at the time but it sounded hilarious, they argued to get warranty work done on it also... :suspicious: :facepalm: :fulloffuck:

beproud 01-25-2013 09:30 PM

Hmmm and I was thinking about picking up a BMW too eh. At least I feel better about my benz lol

ts14 01-25-2013 09:37 PM

owned enough bmws and benzs to say that u dont buy them for reliability.

im not even gonna bother with audi and vw

payrent 01-25-2013 10:18 PM

My friends GL450's engine blew up and MB wants 20k to fix it.

For BMW's engine failures, particularly the 35i engines it's just a fuel pump, not the whole engine..

Not surprised with audi/vw, especially that 1.8T....

Traum 01-25-2013 10:31 PM

You know, having had multiple Volkswagens over the past 15 or so years, I really don't think Volkswagens are that unreliable at all. They are by no means Honda or Toyota reliable -- I am not saying they are. But for the most part, I only get 1 or 2 minor issues at most in a year with the car, so I wouldn't say they are that bad at all.

325isMSPORT 01-25-2013 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by tofu1413 (Post 8142002)
hmmm.. surprised mitsubishi is at the least reliable... their new 4B11 motors are pretty reliable so far from what ive seen.... and its used throughout their current line up

remember what happened at mission? the ACC belt went it was brand new ahahahah

acurael 01-26-2013 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by payrent (Post 8142592)
My friends GL450's engine blew up and MB wants 20k to fix it.

For BMW's engine failures, particularly the 35i engines it's just a fuel pump, not the whole engine..

Not surprised with audi/vw, especially that 1.8T....

what year is the GL?

FerrariEnzo 01-26-2013 12:10 AM

hyundai not listed in either.. haha I guess its good....

heleu 01-26-2013 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Traum (Post 8142603)
You know, having had multiple Volkswagens over the past 15 or so years, I really don't think Volkswagens are that unreliable at all. They are by no means Honda or Toyota reliable -- I am not saying they are. But for the most part, I only get 1 or 2 minor issues at most in a year with the car, so I wouldn't say they are that bad at all.

1-2 issues per year?! I guess I'm just used to driving japanese.

death_blossom 01-26-2013 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by dangonay (Post 8142319)
What do they qualify as an "engine failure"? I find it hard to believe that 1 in 27 Audis needs a new engine or 1 in 45 BMW's do. Or does having a CEL light come on that requires a new sensor or ignition coil count as a "failure"?

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Originally Posted by bcrdukes (Post 8142329)
Agreed.

The article is very vague and does not get into specifics. For all we know, it could be because the person who owned the vehicle didn't close the gas cap and in turn, freaks out because there's a CEL on the dash.

Catastrophic failure like a piston punching a hole through the hood - okay. I get it. But the article in itself should be taken lightly, if at all.

you guys read my mind exactly. they do not define what an "engine failure" is.

vantrip 01-26-2013 09:15 AM

Merc is german and its top 3 so you can't generalize about german makers. Never had a problem with the family w203-knock on wood!

death_blossom 01-26-2013 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by payrent (Post 8142592)
Not surprised with audi/vw, especially that 1.8T....

what's wrong with the 1.8T? the 1.8T long block assembly is a very reliable engine. everything else connected to it, is your typical VAG type of stuff (electronics, turbocharger, etc).

Traum 01-26-2013 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by heleu (Post 8142752)
1-2 issues per year?! I guess I'm just used to driving japanese.

In most years, it was 1 minor issue coming up (per year). I remember the MAF sensor dying, some O2 sensor needs replacement, a recurring turbo recirculation valve of some sort dying every 1.5 - 2.5 years, a bushing tearing up, a shift linkage issue, some coolant sensor intermittently fxxking up in sub-zero temperatures. The biggest one was a sunroof rail / clip of some sort failing. None ever left me stranded, and most were covered under warranty / extended warranty. So yes, definitely not Japanese reliable, but I'd only classify them as annoyances instead of crippling breakdowns.

sekin67835 01-26-2013 11:14 AM

Maybe it has to do the additive of ethanol in the fuel. I heard the diminishes the plastic lining in the engines and can cause them to not last as long. Anyone school me on that?
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bloodmack 01-26-2013 11:37 AM

ford no longer found on road dead? :troll:

versep 01-26-2013 12:19 PM

From what I understand, older BMW's have unreliable cooling systems, and the 35i's have the problem with the HP fuel pump. I heard the engines themselves are quite reliable.

heleu 01-26-2013 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Traum (Post 8142808)
In most years, it was 1 minor issue coming up (per year). I remember the MAF sensor dying, some O2 sensor needs replacement, a recurring turbo recirculation valve of some sort dying every 1.5 - 2.5 years, a bushing tearing up, a shift linkage issue, some coolant sensor intermittently fxxking up in sub-zero temperatures. The biggest one was a sunroof rail / clip of some sort failing. None ever left me stranded, and most were covered under warranty / extended warranty. So yes, definitely not Japanese reliable, but I'd only classify them as annoyances instead of crippling breakdowns.

I guess I like driving more than fixing cars...I lust after E30 M3s and 80s 911 Porsches, but I can only afford one car and I would be scared to daily drive those with all the potential problems.

heleu 01-26-2013 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by bloodmack (Post 8142825)
ford no longer found on road dead? :troll:

lol - and FIAT is no longer Fix It Again Tony

dark0821 01-26-2013 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by 325isMSPORT (Post 8142615)
remember what happened at mission? the ACC belt went it was brand new ahahahah

lolol i rmbr getting a text from 124Y....:badpokerface:
and then i was just sitting there and was like... WHAT? :suspicious:

bcrdukes 01-26-2013 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by versep (Post 8142849)
From what I understand, older BMW's have unreliable cooling systems, and the 35i's

The cooling system is the Achilles heel for all BMWs.


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