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melloman 04-22-2013 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by 4444 (Post 8218560)
My whole point is that our government taxes the shit out of us already, we don't complain, but when the US even start to talk about introducing a tax to level the supply/demand playing field, ppl will start to be up in arms.

The US is there to look after their own people, and rightfully so - Canadians are taking advantage of a strong cdn dollar buy doing a lot of shopping in the US, why not make them pay a premium for that privilege, especially when the US government needs the funds to pay for border guards who 'police' entrants to their great nation? (And if u disagree that their nation is great, then I hope ur not a cross border shopper, bc that would be two faced)

2 points..

1.) It's good to see that you like to pay more money to whoever the fuck wants it, because I sure don't. We already get fucked by the USA if you forgot.. We sell them our lumber & our oil just to buy it all back at a massive premium.

2.) So we have to pay them to get into their country, but they get a free ride in Canada? To be blunt.. FUCK THAT. Our tourism industry is shit because of OUR govt, just because they have pushed away the cruiseships, the move industry, etc. And I can't really see that the minimal amount of 'muricans help provide so much money into our economy.

westopher 04-22-2013 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by melloman (Post 8219149)

2.) So we have to pay them to get into their country, but they get a free ride in Canada? To be blunt.. FUCK THAT. Our tourism industry is shit because of OUR govt, just because they have pushed away the cruiseships, the move industry, etc. And I can't really see that the minimal amount of 'muricans help provide so much money into our economy.

Heres a number of the visitors to Canada in February 2013 by country of origin. Maybe you want to rethink how much you believe American tourists pump money into our economy.
Australia 11,460
Brazil 5,175
China 20,850
France 25,090
Germany 11,490
India 6,082
Japan 14,415
Mexico 6,722
South Korea 7,612
United Kingdom 29,348
United States 525,690
We depend on America as a substantial source of income in this country. I think its important to not let the "hey fuck you too" mentality to come into play with the relationship. Pick your battles.

melloman 04-22-2013 10:22 AM

^^ Fair enough.

Here's a nice 2009-2011 Statistic:
The Canada-U.S. border: by the numbers - Canada - CBC News

Lets compare Canadians going to the USA, and Americans coming to Canada.. :facepalm: I see we practically DOUBLE on everything.


I'm assuming your statistics would also be biased just for the fact of 525,690 would account for US Citizens WORKING in Canada and traveling across the border. Not just tourists.

westopher 04-22-2013 11:27 AM

Lets say that is the case. Even if somehow 480000 of those numbers are cross border workers (which it obviously isn't) They would still be the highest # of entries. We double them in tourists, because being a substantially larger population, they have more to offer than us when it comes to buying power, big cities, tourist destinations, and not to mention better weather. However, that has nothing to do with the fact that if we knee jerk react to this, we will fuck our shitty tourism even more. If anything, this deterrent of the 6 dollar fee could help canada. I mean, I don't give a fuck about 6 bucks, but some people wouldn't head to the states out of spite, and they will spend the money in Canada. More money spent in canada=more taxes paid in canada=more money in the canadian economy, etc. Again, not saying it doesn't piss me off a bit to have to pay for America to handle its own issues, but I'm not going to support the idea of cutting off my nose to spite my face.

melloman 04-22-2013 12:30 PM

Fair enough.

If this does go through, and businesses get charged this same fee. Hopefully our lumber/oil companies will stop sending business down to the USA and open up they're own refining plants up here. :troll:

Graeme S 04-22-2013 01:18 PM

Curious: how many of the people opposed to this tax are also opposed to taxes on services they don't use? Translink subsidies, carbon taxes, all that jazz.

'Cause I mean, a lot of people protest about taxes saying that we should charge the people who use the services the actual costs of them. So, I mean...isn't that what this is doing? Isn't a move towards user fees more fair to everyone on the whole?

falcon 04-22-2013 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Graeme S (Post 8218201)
If you're taking that much time to go down but only save $5 picking up packages and gas...Man, you're doing it wrong.

For me it's not really to save money. It's to get access to way more parts than you can buy in Canada on US Ebay and US sites. That, and I live 5 minutes from the border, have Nexus and it's quick and easy.

I'm definatley not doing it wrong, I've been hopping the border more or less weekly for the last 5 years for various reasons.

4444 04-22-2013 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by melloman (Post 8219149)
2 points..

1.) It's good to see that you like to pay more money to whoever the fuck wants it, because I sure don't. We already get fucked by the USA if you forgot.. We sell them our lumber & our oil just to buy it all back at a massive premium.

2.) So we have to pay them to get into their country, but they get a free ride in Canada? To be blunt.. FUCK THAT. Our tourism industry is shit because of OUR govt, just because they have pushed away the cruiseships, the move industry, etc. And I can't really see that the minimal amount of 'muricans help provide so much money into our economy.

Great points, lets see how well Canada's economy does by pissing off the US, by going protectionist, etc.

Canada relies on the US, Canada is so lucky to be so close in both geography and in culture to the US, without that our economy would be resource only - which isn't a good thing.

Please don't respond to this post, I don't want to argue with u on this point

shawnly1000 05-10-2013 10:21 AM

No fees for Canadians to drive into US | News1130

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a US Senate committee rejected a proposal to collect fees at land border crossings.

Government House Leader Peter Van Loan says he’s pleased the potential fees have been quashed. He says they would have damaged the Canadian and US economies.

The US Department of Homeland Security had wanted Congress to authorize the study of a fee that could be collected from everyone entering the US from Canada and Mexico.

But yesterday, the Senate judiciary committee voted to amend the Immigration Reform Bill to ban such a fee.

pastarocket 05-10-2013 10:35 AM

That's good news. The fee proposal was a stupid idea.

Traum 05-10-2013 10:55 AM

Good news indeed.

RS_Pat 05-10-2013 11:28 AM

Canadians and US border towns alike rejoice!

freakshow 05-10-2013 11:35 AM

this would never have passed to begin with.. almost belongs in the 'no need to start a new thread thread'


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