Well the Focus ST has ~10hp and 10ft/lbs less on the MS3, and it doesn't seem to suffer nearly the same handling issues.

So the world's greatest drag race involved 10/12 cars where the driver just has to mash the throttle pedal for 11-13 seconds :fullofwin:

I like manuals for everyday driving but automatics are way better at drag racing.

it's the other way around? :badpokerface:

Are you saying manuals are better for drag racing? I don't think so...

Nope. I used to drag race at MRP..auto is way more consistent than manual..that's what you're looking for in a bracket race.

The GT-R's rival is more like Ferrari, Lamborghini and McLaren so...

Exactly.

Track times from caranddriver.com:

2013:
Lightning Lap 2013: Hot Cars, Hot Track, Hot Laps - - Car and Driver

2012:
Lightning Lap 2012 - - Car and Driver

oops read/interpreted that wrong
i meant I'd rather have an auto for daily stop-go traffic and have fun rowing through the gears on a drag strip even if it doesnt mean the best 1/4 mi times.

I totally get that. Just poking fun that 10/12 'Best Drivers Cars' of the year are automatic

You guys need to stop whining about modern cars not having manual tranny.

Some motorcycle riders like to kick start, choke the carbureted engine to warm up, etc. But who fucking cares I'd rather ride modern Ducati and R1.

Yes, modern cars do have traction control, auto rev match, ABS, paddle shift, all the other electronic devices but that does NOT mean it's not fun.

I'd rather be in this car with lots of high tech electronic devices with paddle and hybrid system
http://www.extremetech.com/wp-conten...errari-Top.jpg

than this, which comes with manual tranny, less high tech devices and supposed to be more fun
http://www.allfordmustangs.com/photo...m/P1013355.JPG

focus st's are sweet little cars. had the chance to drive one, the car feels euro, nothing like american. i fell in love and i dont even like fords

Was lucky enough to drive a Focus ST around at work, and I must say it was a very exhilarating ride!

Nobody's whining, just having some fun (see what I did there?).

Like I mentioned I totally get the performance advantage with auto trannies. A drivers car isn't all about fun imo, nor is it about all out performance. To me its about the overall balance of the vehicle and how it can engage the driver. I don't expect yo win you over on this since your answer to everything is "GTR will still smoke it"
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