If you see the builders Marcon or Jameson, you can expect super tiny shitty parking stalls. Expect door dings. But the quality of their material is excellent.

Bosa and Mosaic are the only that I recommend.

Anybody have experience with Westbanks build quality?

If Onni is still building the low quality piece of shit that one of my family members bought in Steveston, stay the fuck away from them.

7 year old building that has degrading balconies, underground parkade needs a new membrane, leaking sliding doors. I'm pretty sure that the sound proofing in the building was never even installed. Millions of dollars in repairs for a 3 building complex.

Would like to hear some more info to justify why they are your only choice over the others like polygon / concord pac
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Thind is another developer to stay away from. The craftman is really shitty and they use really bad quality. Went to their open house and the units use such shitty materials (the carpet for the bedroom is like form the 80s) the electric jacks are uneven, the blind are made from paper, I can spot some place on the walls where is not cover by paint, the counter top is made with crappy quality.

Sure their development is cheaper but I suspect within a few years you will start seeing major issues. A few friends who works in real estate all recommend me to stay away from buildings build by Thind with a 10ft pole.

Concord is pretty decent now. They aren't like the top quality. In the beginning I know they have some issues like not leaving enough room from the hallways and elevator so when people move in and out they easily damage the walls. But over the years their quality improve quite a bit.

It says "starting at 200K". The 200K unit is probably sold out before the ad was posted.

Vancouver RE always gets posted in HK newspaper, no surprise, my aunt bought one of those townhouse at Westminster Hwy and No.2 road, it was advertised at 200K in 1996, then she end up paying $350K

from people i know in the trades, they say Onni are the worst company to work for, they under pay,pay late, basically use dirty business tricks to the point where some contractors won't work for them - a decision that's easy to make when demand is high, no so much when there's no work (the near future).

i also know a bunch of people who work for Onni, they are not the kind of people i would ever want to associate with, and i don't doubt they don't truly care about customers once the development has sold.

but then again, what do i actually know?

AND... every sales/marketing member at Onni is a 20 something (or 30 something doing everything they can to stay competitive with 20 year olds) asian, fake titted skanks... they are affectionately known as "Onni Sluts" - it's like there's a 'fake asian skank' school that teaches (or not) real estate sales from which Onni hires all their sales & marketing staff

i also hear from people who work there that the greaseball upper management hire these girls to sleep with them - and some do in fact do just that... typical vancouver

(and before someone says i'm just saying this b/c i tried to pull one and failed and am bitter - i'm effectively happily married and am not attracted to skanks)

Anyone have experiences with a Great Western made building? Looking at a 2001 development by them down on SE Marine.

I think this is the development site they are advertising: 188 Keefer

Apparently, it has this oriental theme to it.

fuck i hate vancouver - what's hilarious is that vancouver really is 'different' than other cities, but not in any positive ways. the Vancouver economy has leveraged itself so heavily towards the chinese that any real slowdown in interest from the chinese will fuck the city over - leverage is great on the way up, but will kill you on the way down

so glad i left the city - it's a joke, and my current city is WAY, WAY more livable (people always say 'we're number one livable city' - i'll be one person to say that it isn't)

hahahahahaha, ya, it'll look like this (ok i doubt it'll even look like this brand new) - will turn to shit with hipsters (who rent there for about $800 for a 1 bedroom, 2 or 3 hipster males, not gay, just typical barrister 'ceo of start up in gastown' vancouverites) up there smoking dope and trashing the place.

pics or gtfo :ilied:

it's been like this for a long time mang

Preach on brother!

i'm curious what's your current city, not trolling

I don't believe that artist's rendering of the view either...who would...:derp:

+ 1 on Thind. they are POS and really bad quality. VERY VERY cheap material. they usually specialize in low-rise in fill projects, but have now moved on to high-rises with a tower near Kingsway and slocan? they dont also disclose or share as much information as other developers. Usually this is a bad sign when they cant even answer basic questions.

they specialize in buying and building in less attractive area. one of the poor buildings they have is the low-rise on fraser and king edward. My friend lived there and said it was shiet. They currently have the Metro 1 and Metro 2? projects on grimmer and kingsway and it's in an industrial area. Yet their prices are quite expensive given their low quality and inferior locations.

hahahha. funny you hear about this. there's a lot of truth in what you just posted about Onni. I was in the high-rise development industry for a bit. I heard all these sleazy stories about Onni, and thought maybe it was just over-exagerated. Until one of my buddies went to work for them and all the stuff you hear are true and even worst. Upper management are all a bunch of perves. I wont go on about how shady these guys are. but too funny.


If I can name my top three developers to never buy from: Onni, Thind, Aquilinis

Keep in mind that aside from onni, amacon and pinnacle are the same ppl. It's the de cotiis family.
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What's the word on Westbank? Units in their buildings always seem to be priced at a premium.

All these info about developers are excellent info!
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I'll just say Europe, a city of very similar size to Vancouver, but a central hub for finance headquarters of many, many significant American, Japanese, and European companies.

i'll make this quick, but here's the difference between a good government (current city) and bad government (Vancouver) - same sized cities, similar populations...

my current city has implemented an extremely attractive tax system to allow these headquarters here - my company pays very little tax here... ok, you probably think that's bad, well is it? because they hire A LOT of very highly educated, highly paid people and personal taxes and consumption taxes are high, so in theory their tax base is very solid. I will make one aside, and this is a problem with all politicians, as they are idiots - it is very socialist here, i believe almost everyone that works gets a defined benefit pension - which is fucking insane and social security is overly generous - all of this has actually created problems at the government level, and i don't doubt they'll cut back on these programs - another issue is now that bulgarians and romanians have freer movement within Europe, we get a lot of them coming here, signing up for benefits, then going back home with the benefits - this has just come to light and is getting dealt with, but you see the problem.

also, bikes and bike lanes are done more properly here (take note, gregor) - why is he making trips to China, that's not his job, if he wants to know about public transit and bikes, fucking come here... and transit - fucking awesome here... basically i don't have any traffic issues here (partially becasue i go against hte traffic) but the difference between here and Vanacouver is night and day with respects to roads and traffic

it has REALLY opened my eyes as to how shit of a city Vancouver is to live and work in, and i come from Europe too (from another country)... Vancouver is a really sorry excuse for a workable/livable city - great if you're richie rich, BS for everyone else unless you're a loser barista/bar tender who wants to live the vancouver life, then it's great... but if you want that life, you've already lost at life.

also, this thread further's my position that buying a condo is the stupidest idea in the world, the only condo i've been impressed with that i've been to is at the sheraton wall centre (the curved newest one, not the shitty boxy ones, they were shit)

from my 30 years on this planet i have a couple pieces of advise:

don't buy a condo from these crooks

if you work in IT, move to San Fran

if you work in finance, move to TO, NY, Singapore, HK, London, Amsterdam, etc. a major finance hub - vancouver is a joke

if you're already rich, you have my blessing to stay in Vancouver and wait until you die, because that's pretty much what you're doing in Vancouver (except for 3 months in summer, it is nice in the summer, i'll admit that)

It's priced at a premium because of their track record and brand behind it.

Westbank is the company that developed Fairmont Pacific, Shaw Tower, Woodwards, Telus Garden's to name a few.

With the project on 188 Keefer they are aiming at multiple demographics (affordable and marked priced condos). Hence you'll find the different types of finishes to what the units are for sale.

Someone asked how do you determine quality and craftsmanship...

Really there isn't any way these days if you are buying pre-sale. Your only way is to base it off the fancy and pretty display home, builder/developer's previous track record and what your gut tells you.

FWIW any developer/builder is all the same cause that's how the industry is..
Same shit, wrapped up and presented differently

Sad really cause Onni group runs alot of the highrise condo projects and a few hospitality joints and restaurants around town.