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If you have something that people want, its only natural people will swarm to it. Mainlander or not. If there is truly not enough supplies, hospitals or even food to go around. That sounds like its up to the government to regulate and bring in more resources. I, however do not think this is the case. I think this is just an excuse for the average joes in Hong Kong to blame the mainlanders for their misfortune or inconvenience. |
nothing against mainlanders, but they do have a bigger tendancy to swarm stuff they want. take toilet paper on sale as an example. everyone needs it, but mostly you see mainlanders swarming for that as opposed to anyone else. |
^ Are there no rules that prevents non-permanent resident from enrolling their children in school? Something similar to Vancouver where you can only go to schools in your area or it's very difficult to do cross-boundary (I think that has changed though). |
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That's still not an legitimate reason. |
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2). Quebec is very different from the rest of Canada and is only that way because of the history in how our nation was formed and because they fought for it. 3). Quebecers are still Canadians, but everyone who has interacted with them know they do not consider themselves to be the same "Canadians" as the rest us. They are proudly French Canadians, Francophones. 4). A very large percentage of French Canadians still believe Quebec should be a sovereign nation, even now. "Letting them be and live their own little world" hasn't changed that. 5). Despite all of us being Canadians, French Canadians will be very upset/angry if they find out you don't speak/understand French (even if they know you're from the west coast). But we're all Canadians, why can't they just live with it? 6). North Korea and South Korea are two nations because of WWII. They didn't just one day decide to separate and call it a day. 7). How long did it take for Canada to form independence from Britain? 8). How long did it take for USA to form independence from Britain? How many lives were lost? 9). HK did not have a choice in whether it returned to PRC 10). PRC would never let HK just pack up and leave Quote:
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good thing my family flew us out of HK when i was still a kid. I did not have to experience this mainland takeover to put it simply, the hongers are mad because their lifestyle is slowly and steadily being taken over by mainlanders i am by no means an expert on the hong kong sequence events, i only visit every now and then. but i know enough hongers and have enough relatives in HK so this is what i got from it: 1. HK being returned to China, with promises of "10 years no change" 2. slowly the china government is reforming the SAR 3. mainlanders, people whom the hongers have always looked down upon, are slowly being granted passage into the city 4. these mainlanders eventually being a significant portion of the HK population, and accompanying them are their distasteful habits which hongers have ALWAYS looked down upon (pooping peeing in public, horrible sounding mandarin, being rude) 5. because of this, mandarin has also become one of the city's main languages, which used to be purely cantonese 6. honger lives are forever changed due to the actions of the china government and its not exactly like vancouver either, the mainlanders in vancouver i'd say are more well-behaved. poor mainlanders are able to go into HK, however it is more difficult for them to come to vancouver GG HK |
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PRC gov't didn't keep their words? how shocking! on a serious note i didn't realize the Basic Law was only valid for 50 years how come then it seems more immigrants from Hong Kong living in Canada has moved back since 97? Or is it simply that mass migration from Mainland China made it appear the local 'HK population' is dwindling? |
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Correct me if I'm wrong, the land that HK occupies right now does belong to China (or government of China), so HK does indeed not have a choice whether HK (or at least the land) is returned to PRC. In terms of leaving, maybe PRC would never let HK just pack and leave, but the citizens definitely had a choice and chance to leave HK before it was returned to HK, ie immigrate to Canada. These people took their chances as well because there's no guarantee what's life going to be like across the globe. Some manage to survive, some pay a price for coming here (bad job prospects, or not being able to find a job in the same profession). I do agree that nationality and ethnicity are two different things. But for China/Chinese, for a long period of time, or till this past decade, nationality = ethnicity for China/Chinese. |
The problem that HK has with PRC, from what I can observe during my business trips, is that HK people no longer have control over HK. No matter how displeased they are with mainlanders, it's no longer up to them to adjust any immigration laws to prevent mainlanders from visiting/entering. PRC basically took over, and started taking away the "democracy" part of HK, by replacing it with a central government, which, whatever it says, counts. When people can no longer make their opinion counts, democracy dies. This is what's happening in HK. HKers complain day-in-and-day-out; one sees it on every newspaper, every TV station. (the "democracy" part still allowed) And what PRC feels about it? Not a fuck given. |
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At least Patten was right. There was no way Hong Kong could ever be independent. It's not even a self sustaining territory, Water, Power, and livestock originated from the mainland since the 80s. There is no justification for granting them independence. Following the unfair treaties, New territories was to return to China in 1997; even then, the sovereignty of Hong Kong island itself was questionable. It was clear in the 70s that PRC will outright refuse any other option except for the peaceful return of HK. If Britain refused returning, China would just send her armies down and take over HK within a day. Falklands 2.0 :fuckthatshit: Coming down to What ifs... If Britain did declare Hong Kong independent, would other nations recognize Hong Kong as a independent state? Can Hong Kong have it's own military force to protect and defend her national borders. Will the economy collapse due to mass exodus of funds? |
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if you were born and raised and someone tells you 1+1=3. guess what, you will say 3 when someone asks you what 1+1 is. sure, people can tell you that you're wrong and that the right answer is 2. it's up to you to make that change. you can teach those people don't swarm and it's up to them to make that change themselves. |
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Especially MK, since this month they stopped shutting down Sai Yeung Choi st, making it a pedestrian-only after 4pm. Now that they only do this on Sundays, it's a nightmare to go there during the week. |
I'm not chinese, but I do see the lack of socially accepted behaviors from the "mainlanders". excuse my ignorance? but cant there be a program or some sort of education movement to educated them on what's acceptable and what isn't? ie. spitting, taking a piss in the public and not washrooms, just their general rude-ness? cant there be a program that teaches kids manners in elementary school or signs in telling people not to urinate in public etc? |
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The inept government is allowing this to happen, and the greedy business people are taking advantage. The PRC sees this as a good thing, as they get a 'head start' to cultural integration. I don't know, but I think they must assume that Hong Kong will eventually "get used to it"... Either that, or it will be like Macau where the tourists outnumber the locals so much, that it might as well just be in mainland china. People can be awesome or shitty, or anywhere in between, no matter where they are from. Generally things are done differently in certain parts of the world, and that may be unacceptable to some. So if you don't like Indian culture and the way things are done there, you just wouldn't live there. Same for mainland china.. if you don't like the way things are done there, you wouldn't move there. The problem here is, the people who don't like those aspects of that culture have no choice in the matter; "they" are moving in, like it or not. Just because you don't want to live in a certain culture, doesn't mean you are "looking down" on them, or are even an asshole. If you don't like it, you don't like it. So who cares where the locusts are from? Ignore that issue. Ignore the claims of "jealousy" and other idiotic points people try to make. The fact is, people here are losing their home rapidly. Some will react like those in OP, others will see it as an opportunity to get rich, others will just crumble and lose their identity and culture, some will fight for democracy, and some will just get up and leave. Also I just want to throw in that Hong Kong was never "returned to China", since PRC didn't exist when HK was formed, and "China" is just a land mass. It was "handed over" to the "Peoples Republic of China". Simply using "China" to describe the country "Peoples Republic of China" leads to this type of confusion. In shorthand, I guess it doesn't really matter, but when discussing this kind of thing, it's pretty important to make the distinction. This is what causes the confusion of being "returned to China".. well maybe it was returned to "China", but who is China? back then, it was the dynasty.. after that, it was the Republic of China. Now it's the Peoples Republic of China. It's basically just a land mass, so it would make more sense to refer to it as the nation.. either PRC, or "Mainland China" makes a lot more sense. |
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"acceptable" is relative. what they consider acceptable may be unacceptable to us, and what we consider acceptable may be unacceptable to them. |
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Are we talking about traditions, such as holidays (CNY), family/social values, etc.? |
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