If the system you've been preaching about is wrong about giving babies Hep B vaccines, then they could be wrong about the other ones too.

How are you still debating in this thread if you dont want to clarify your position on that vaccine and made it out to be some personal view to get a pass?

Its not like your personal thoughts are about how you feel about homosexuality, eugenics, food aid to foreign countries or if certain races are useless eaters and should die in which you dont want to disclose publicly.
This is a scientific question regarding vaccinations.

This I will agree, stay away from the public

Like I said, it's more entertaining to watch you keep spewing what you think I think... it opens all sorts of new vistas on your insanity, so by all means, keep it up.

Sure I'll say what I think you think...
*I know Charles is probably right, but I'll blindly keep faith in the system to save face. :p

How many of you anti vax/anti modern medicine people are over 35? Because if memory serves, back in ye olden days, you'd be dead. Likely from one of the many things the rest of the world got tired of dying from.

Before you go spewing any more anti-vax shit, weigh the "side effects" of the vaccine against the death toll if that vaccine didn't exist. What sounds better, a few people have complications, or thousands die?

There's a difference when these toxins are injected.

Now after watching that video, the CDC itself says 1 in 6 kids get mental problems and 1 in 54 boys get autism... guess the cause of these complications.
CDC | Data and Statistics | Autism Spectrum Disorder (ASD) | NCBDDD

Assuming every child with mental problems had it caused by vaccines (complete BS scenario), that's roughly 17% with mental problems and 1.85% with autism. Measles alone has a 90% infection rate amongst non-vaccinated people who come into contact with someone infected, and in non-developed areas (ie low vax rates) a death rate from 10-30%, and in some cases as high as 50-70%.

That's 9-60% of the population killed by measles alone if we stopped immunizing against it. Factor in a few more diseases that we can be vaccinated against and even in a best-case disease scenario you'll still easily be above any possible worst-case mental health side effect scenario (and that's assuming that there is a link, which I doubt).

Those are some big claims.
Why are the underdeveloped countries dying off in such large numbers... does it have to do with their DNA?

It has to do with them not having been vaccinated. The numbers were the same for the western world before vaccination.

Soundy is doing the exact same shit you did in your thread chuck. It's only fair. If someone asks a question, answer it directly instead of dancing around it like you did until I was tired of your bullshit and you admitted you were a racist bigot by not answering any of the questions I posed to you in your thread.

Simply put, don't vaccinate your kids and face the consequences. These "side effects" still outweigh killing off a large chunk of the population in the long run.
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I'm not even dancing around it in Chuck-like fashion, I'm outright refusing to give him an answer, because he already seems to think he knows my opinions on the matter.

Edit: more to the point, it doesn't matter WHAT I say my opinion is... Chuckie will proceed to educate me as to what my opinion REALLY is, and it will be something completely out in left field. So I figure... no point in saying anything when he's going to make up an interpretation anyway.

Your sources?

I predict a future with balkanized societies where people will choose to live in communities away from anti-vax people.

Then when the non-vaccinated people start dying off en masse, we will see Darwin at work

The immune system is more complex then scientist can imagine. People who are vaccinated with measles are actually more susceptible to the disease.... so yes we would truly see Darwinism at work... unfortunately in this situation you would be at the declining end multicartual.
Estimated susceptibility to asymptomatic seconda... [J Med Virol. 1998] - PubMed - NCBI

One cannot downplay the importance of proper science education, in high school and in university.

Yes, and there was once a husky Iranian gentleman who claimed to do the Grouse Grind in 43 minutes, and to his claim, and yours, I say:


My ass!

Not credible enough for you... this one supposedly came from the CDC.
Babies Of Vaccinated Mothers Susceptible To Measles

May not be that simple.

I just feel for families in the following story, living at the mercy of the selfish anti vaccine stupid bastards.

Anti-vaccination parents are risking my toddler?s life, mother says

Insert SNL's media-opoly video

Observer care to show us a chart of how vaccines stopped/reduced measles?

What I find even more ridiculous than the people refuses vaccines is that some cunts are actually refusing to quarantine themselves and their children after they catch a disease. They are now actively and intentionally spreading the disease, whether your pro or anti vax that's a downright asshole move.

You don't even need the science, anyone with a basic grasp of grade 3 math can sort this out.

X = Death rate from vaccine side effects (assuming they even exist)
Y = Death rate from disease being vaccinated against

If X < Y, take the vaccine and shut the fuck up.

I asked you question in post 159 if you missed it.

Playing devils advocate here.
Many if not most of the illnesses or diseases people vaccinate themselves for are not deadly just 7 to 10 days of healing is needed, a minor hiccup in the road of life.

Hmm... :suspicious:

measles -- 90% infection rate, up to 30% death rate
mumps -- very low death rate, but there is a 30% chance that males will get hit with painful testicular swelling, 27% risk of spontaneous abortion in 1st time pregnant women, and 10% risk of mild meningitis
flu - could result in life-threatening complications, esp for the weak, young, elderly, and chronically ill
hepatitis -- causes irreparable damage to the liver and liver failure, possibly requiring transplant
HPV -- lead to possibilities of cancers of the cervix, vulva, vagina, penis, oropharynx, anus, and throat
polio -- 1% chance of irreparable central nervous system damage (motor neurons)

Should I really list more? I'd hardly consider these "minor hiccups in the road of life".

Members like to make statements without backing up where this information is coming from... Traum tell me you're not relaying this from what you heard at your last yoga class or basketball game... since were talking about measles, can you provide statistics to prove this 30% death rate.